a Trump’s Blockbuster UN Speech feat. Syed Akbar Ali

Okay. Right. Welcome back to the Gutshot podcast. We are here with Sam and of course backed by popular demand, our uh very famous and uh very eloquence blogger. Thank you for coming back. Um the focus of our attention this afternoon morning uh is the UN General Assembly in which uh Donald Trump, President Trump uh leveled um I I guess very interesting statements and very interesting comments about a lot of things. Um so let's start with you side. I I I would I would call it a a blockbuster speech.

A blockbuster speech that uh you know that we have never heard ever in the UN General Assembly 80th anniversary of the UN General Assembly as well, right? So lots to unpack. But Side, where would you like to start?

Yeah, fine. Yeah, it was quite an interesting uh speech. Uh one of a kind, one of a kind. uh few I think no American president has spoken uh with that kind of um uh well straight from straight from the heart directness very frank and a very uh downto- earthth uh over the fence kind of uh conversation not what you would have uh we had normally here at the United Nations statesman kind of language and all that um uh he was just straight almost off the cuff uh he started off uh quite um well he was not very happy with the the teleprompter not working and he was stuck at the escalator.

I thought he was uh he kept referring to it throughout his speech and uh a few things came out of this uh his speech at this assembly. I the thing that I I uh my understanding uh uh he took quite a few shots at the UN itself. The teleprompter the escalator was part of it. He basically questioned he asked what is what is the UN what is the purpose of the UN what are they doing because he said uh they did not help him much in uh solving those issues

the wars for a while the wars the seven wars that were going on he said they didn't even call him you know when he was helping to sort things out so he expressed quite a bit of unhappiness with the United Nations coming from a country which is traditionally the number one funer

and sponsor of the of the UAN. So it shows a major shift, a sea change in how uh at least Donald Trump and the Republicans want to place themselves vis the rulesbased system. You know the past few years it has all been it is everything has been about rules-based order. you know uh they want to follow this multi- multi- uh what do you call this multinational um organizations or rules or whatever in trade in defense in whatever so Donald Trump is basically saying that I am not in buying into that too much because if you can criticize the United Nations which has always been used by the US as

one of the major policy tools foreign policy tools uh Donald Trump basically saying that uh I'm not too excited about you know what United Nations has been doing. You can yeah I I just uh I just pluck out the number actually uh in 2023 US contributed about 13 billion into funding the UN operations uh and that constitute almost 22% of their budget. So here comes uh the the contributor or the funer of your organization and effectively telling you that uh you more than likely I think for lack of better word has outlived your usefulness.

Yeah. And uh his other uh in my view his his two other main thrusts in in his speech was energy. energy, the entire spectrum of energy, green energy, fossil fuels, whatever, which he feels very strongly about and illegal immigration. And the point that you just made, he said the US, the UN has in the last year has spent about over 300 million US dollars to assist over 600,000 illegal immigrants who went into the United States,

including giving them debit cards and things like that. So, he was very unhappy with that. So about what you said about the the US funding, I think it's going to be $300 million US short. Yeah. That's why he's very unhappy with that. You see,

so this is uh new for a US president, for the United States government who has been the main backer of the UN, you know, for such a long time. So this is a parting of the ways. That's what that's how I look at it. So the UN has to position themselves up. But then who is the UN without the US?

Well, it reminds me of the time when he took uh parting shots. um very very very clear parting shots at the World Health Organization remember during COVID and I think at the time the US was nearly half of the WHO's operating annual budget right and he did pull funding for the WHO so if that is indeed the case here for the UN right what does it mean I mean he he said a lot of things at the UN general assembly right but what is the speech mean particularly in terms of not just energy but also in terms of how the UN spends its resources I think we maybe we do that first and

then we go into the detail of the each of the item that he touched I think in terms of the institution of UN itself right considering what what what say just said and I agree with him I and I I take that's why I take one step further which is I said he's basically questioning the uh the the the usefulness or the effectiveness of UN as an institution

how the money is spent and how the money is being spent and it being useless right um and I'm not surprised about that at all. You ask me personally, I'm in complete agreement with him. Um, so Z, how do you see it playing out?

I think he's setting the he's uh setting the what do you call this? The the the laying the the ground rules on what needs to be done. He's setting the ground rules on what needs to be done. Basically, now he's fired the first shot. He's saying that you're not being effective. you're you're spending my money like the 300 million to fund the illegal immigrants going into the US 600,000 of them. So basically after this he'll be telling them how they should be spending the money and how they should be behaving otherwise I think the US is going to distance themselves more from the UN and

the UN cannot survive without the US. I it's it's it's his first shot across the bow of the ship. I find that I find that actually the problem with institutions like that as well as okay there it's not that good a comparison which is the EU bureaucratic uh parliament and and their own administrative right okay it becomes uh it becomes an for lack of better word it becomes a government link uh entity right that perpetuates itself for its own administrative bloat and cushy positions, right? They really are not interested in getting things done. You know, it's a good place for uh

member nations who are not that rich to uh you know to stay in New York. Yeah. At at at the cost of the US if you ask me, you know. So the question then becomes is you really have to restructure the UN if you ask me. Yeah, it is uh it has been it has been a a platform to keep this perpetual wars going, never coming to a solution. Uh nobody you can't point a finger at any conflict in the last what 10 years or more which has actually been put to an end by the by the by the UN other than the Iraqi invasion which was an American game

and it's an American decision to do whatever they want to do. So uh it has never really what is the purpose of the UN actually I am really a bit confused also what do they achieve? So Trump is Trump is saying it as it is.

Yeah. Well we always talk about how Trump runs uh his the country like a company right. Well if you're spending $13 billion a year uh for a fifth of essentially the voting rights of this company called the UN. You have to have a right and you want it to be well spent. Right. The least of which you don't want it to be spent um allowing illegal immigrants into your country. But what does Trump want from the UN? Did he mention it? Has he ever said it overtly?

But he's uh I think he's quite set on he's seems to be serious on really finding peace around the world. You know, all these places where there are clashes and wars. He he's got a good heart there. I think his mind is fixated on that and he has been making effort. You see some somebody said that uh he said he has uh put an end to seven wars. So some people some of the critics said no that's not true because some of the things that he calls wars are not really wars. They're not wars because we don't read about them in our newspapers. There's been massive massacres going on

in Congo between the the Congo Congo people and the Rwanda people for years. It it is it has been going on for over 31 years, but we don't read about it now. Newspapers, nobody. It's not front page news.

Yeah. Uh Kosovo and what's the other country? uh in in the Balkans they I mean there's been peace in the Balkans since the late '9s but Kosovo uh has been the the tensions have been increasing they have been increasing there have been clashes but so he sort of nicked it in the butt and put a stop to it just like Cambodia and Thailand that the little what storm the teacup guruffle over that uh

well it's pretty brutal though over that uh in that short period of time temple temple along the border uh From what I from what I understand, Trump actually threatened both the countries with very high tariffs. So, if you don't stop it now, I'm going to whack you with tariffs. So, that's what put an end to it.

Yeah. So, that was a real thing that he did. And they really pulled back. You know, both sides pull back. Now that you mentioned it actually, yeah, it is a it is a different strategy uh to end wars, which is to use commerce.

But the critics say, "Oh, no, that's just a little border clash thing. He didn't do anything. He's just like trying to get claim credit and merit for something that he he did not do. I disagree. I think if Trump did not intervene in Cambodia, Thailand, we we do not know what else could have happened. They could have bombed each other from the from you know using air force.

We never know. So uh if at all I think he's going to leave to leave behind I think he's going to he wants a UN he would like a UN to be able to do these things better. I think that's what he wants to also achieve, you know. So

well the hint is of the name right United Nations United Nations right so there's nothing united about the world right now I think if you ask me the problem is more than half of the nations in the world are led by corrupt uh regimes

okay um and how the corrupt regimes are propped up is basically uh coming from money from certain key players not least um at least in the in what I used to call the neocon deep state world includes you know what uh the US but today with the way Trump is handling it as a business he's really not interested in funding these people right but then you still have uh Russia China uh Iran that are providing uh funding whether whether it's direct or indirect to all these various regime games and that's where it makes the whole institution unworkable because what's the point if

all your parliamentarian for example are being fed uh by uh by uh uh external lobbyist money that's about the same right you know that's what we are seeing so I don't know how he's going to end up trying to solve this problem I mean the security council only deals with certain issues, right? And that is only you only have veto power, right? So, um I don't know. I mean, I think it's early days, but he's already put his shot on what he wants.

He has indicated what he would like, but it's it's going to take a lot of uh it's going to take a lot of work, a lot of effort. The United Nations over the last 80 years it has developed its own culture and uh it's a lot of uh lethargy and inertia you know either you move or you are stuck I think I think United Nations is stuck

hey I think we I think we have a bunch of troops that are in where in Lebanon is it Lebanon Lebanon unifi years now we're 19 years we're coming back next year

but you see What the hell is that? Another thing I noticed when uh President Trump was addressing the United Nations, it was full house attendance. All the seats were all the seats were fully occupied.

And then uh a couple of days after Trump, the Indian foreign minister Jay Shankar he addressed the United Nations there were like 10 15 people all the junior staffers. Nobody else was there to listen to him. when the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu was giving his address. Same thing because a lot of people disagree with Israel so they boycotted his uh speech. Anyway, it was an empty hall. Uh to me, you set up the United Nations so that people who don't disagree with each other can sit down and discuss and listen to each other. Otherwise, why do you want to have a

United Nations in the first place? Just now you mentioned what what's so united about being United Nations. If let's say a leader from a country that you don't like happens to come to give his address so you don't go

uh it it to me it defeats a purpose even if you don't like I don't know North Korea Zimbabwe and the the president or prime minister comes along he wants he wants to address the United Nations you should make sure that your people are there to listen to him

well it's the grown-up version of turning point right you come up and have a chat I was just about to say the same thing that's why have a conversation right It is the only place in the world where you can listen. Your your enemies have a platform to say what they want to say and you too have a platform to say what you want to say.

If you don't want to do that, then shut it down. Correct. It's a waste of time. And and and I like the whole idea that Trump says whatever that was in his mind. I like the whole idea that he doesn't means his words, you know, because why? What is this whole point of being statesmanlike if you are not going to grab the bull by the horns and sort out your problems? That's my feeling about it. So I mean that's goes for the institution. I mean shall we take one of his his his uh his uh uh his his blockbuster topic uh the number one blockbuster topic

which is shall we go with uh how he went after uh uh the Europeans and the cost of energy. Yeah. The the it it is it is very obvious he is not beholden to anybody.

Yeah. That's that's why uh Trump, Donald Trump, President Trump can say whatever he wants to say. He's not beholden. He's totally uh he's totally isolated from the legacy media. He calls it the fake media. He doesn't care about what they say and they also don't seem to care too much about what he says. They don't care for each other. But uh that gives him the the certainty that uh since you can't depend on these people, I'm just going to say what I want to say. And he and he repeated that a few times. He said, "I have to say what I want to say."

And energy was uh one of his main main uh he kept repeating it. Energy and he's dead set against renewables and this the green energy and the global warming and all this stuff climate change he which he says are all connected which I agree with. And uh he went strong he went strong into energy. Uh I thought he gave very good advice to the British. He says uh there's plenty of oil and gas under the North Sea which is untapped because of regulations because of all these green regulations.

Zero zero carbon. So they are they are you know they just uh hand they're just handcuffing themselves. They are tying themselves up uh and they're not maximizing the potential of North Sea energy resources. I thought that was a a a good point and he says he hopes the British people and the Scottish people will will uh will make changes in that because he pointed out that the Germans have made a switch. Talking about Europe, he says the present government in Germany, what's his name? Mertz I think.

Yeah. uh this guy has done uh substantial changes in the past year I think and uh where Germany has is uh they have recommissioned some of their nuclear power reactors and I think they're also going back to some fossil fuel uh power sources to overcome shortage of fuel because they're paying through their nose for gas now since they cut off the supply of gas from Russia. So Trump says that he's happy with Germany and he says that they will they will take it further. So basically uh he's telling the Europeans you have to come to your senses and I think they will because uh Americans are

pumping their own gas and their own oil. Now there is a huge irony. You see America for 40 years they could not export oil. It was against the law. Since 1975, uh the Americans were not allowed the US oil industry to export oil and people like Clinton, Obama and all that were going strongly into global global warming, climate change, green energy, renewables and blah blah blah. But uh many people don't realize in 2015, President Obama abolished that law on the export of uh oil by the US. So now for the last 10 years, America has started exporting oil and they are the

largest exporter of fossil fuels in the world. I mean maybe they in Russia uh after Obama the biggest producer as well after Obama uh cancelled the ban on exports of uh American oil and on the other hand you are so pro into global uh climate change and greens and rene renewables and all that

and subsidizing those industries and then you allow your export of oil that's kind of a hypocrisy there I I don't know how yeah it doesn't seem to be contradictory but uh those things have happened in the states I think they have to fall in. The world especially Europe will have to listen to Trump in 206 was it when when he was I'm sorry

2016 2016 he was in the UN 6 years ago he was in the UN and he told the Germans that you're buying all your gas from one country and they laughed at him. There there is video there is video of the German delegation at the UN laughing when Trump said that. And true enough now after the the Ukraine war uh the Russian gas has been cut off screwed.

Sometimes beggars believe that an entire government can be so can be so shortsighted. I mean when you understand the importance of energy to your country because energy power allows you to grow as an economy right because without without power you can't have factories and machines and etc right and then how can you devolve the responsibility of the source of your power to Russia? I mean,

yeah, I'm put put all your eggs in one basket. Don't even think of it that it can potentially be your enemy, but you are putting your egg as you put it in one basket. How dumb are you? National security.

And now the Russian gas has been cut off or they themselves shut it off and now you're paying three to four times market price for gas, which to me is even more insane. It seems they keep on shooting themselves in the foot. to top it off, you know,

you are basically Europe uh trying to tell America that we are worried the Russians are going to go even beyond Ukraine and you want America to fund the war and in Ukraine. That was before Trump say, "Hey, I'm not going to do that." But you know, Biden was basically funding the war in Ukraine. And um and at the same time you are also funding the war in Ukraine by buying their oil.

Yeah, he said that. What the hell is that? He said the the the among the biggest culprits are the NATO countries. You're buying Russian oil. Yeah. So you're funding people to to actually uh carry out war against you. How stupid is that?

So it's Europe is in a confused situation. So you No, but this thing this thing here's the other thing which which say brought up. That's why I mean Trump couldn't care less what the mainstream media talks about because the mainstream media doesn't want to point out all this hypocrisy.

I don't know these people are all they have the agendas which it's illogical doesn't make sense and they're basically shooting themselves in the foot or shooting themselves energy sources. They had nuclear they switched that off because they wanted to save the world. But what about saving your economy first before you save the world? I know it uh and it is really not uh helping them talking about Europe now since you know it I mean there are repercussions you there's always a cause if there's a cause there's a effect repercussions

throughout Europe now the extreme uh right I don't want to call them right wing they just people who are on the right he they are really uh gaining in momentum and popularity you look at Germany the biggest party now actually is that AFD alternative for for Deutsan.

Yeah. And France that what's her name? The lady who now has Leen. Le Pen. She has been disqualified, isn't it? But nevertheless, her party is extremely popular. And uh in Holland, by the way, they're having a runoff elections in Holland quite soon, you know.

Uh G wielders rightwing, they I think they are going to win uh they will not be they will not win like a huge majority, but they I think they will still be the largest party in parliament. M so all these rightwing movements basically represent uh people are tired and fed up of all these leftist and woke kind of uh ideas that are hanging the the the protest in London was it like what Tommy Robinson or Tommy Robinson

that was more than a million crowd you know it is not 100,000 no I saw the video I I said this is not 100,000 crowd no that's massive and in Ireland and everywhere people fed up. They're tired.

And I think Trump's remarks, they they dove tail with what is being felt on the ground in Europe. This is what the present crop of European leaders either they are blind or they are just purposely ignoring what is happening on the ground. But what Trump is saying basically resonates or is a reflection of what is happening on the ground now in Europe. People are tired of all this

illogical totally you can't understand why people want to do this you know their their policies it it just doesn't work anymore cross purposes I I think I think it's just a reflection of what is happening in what happens in America normally I said I I I was telling a friend of mine just the other day that whatever happens in America is always a precursor of what's going to happen in Europe uh down the line maybe 5 years uh in Asia maybe 10 or 15 years we are always late you know because why they are always the first mo they tend to be at least in our modern society the

first mover the first mover either towards the left or the first mover towards the right okay so I think that ideological shift that move to the left has already burned out in America, right? And it has now and it's burned out the LA since 2016. 2020 Trump lost if you ask me a number of reason mainly uh associated with how co and the uh the deep state had played the game.

Yeah. Yeah. But I think in on his side the loss was actually good for Trump and America because it allows him to prepare for the for the second term. Um but then again that means 8 years later whatever that uh has happened in America has actually uh what do you call has actually settled in Europe and the movement in Europe be start to go that way as well. So it's very simple the way I see it bro. The way I see it is that when a society become rich okay the the society become weak weakness is usually um in the masses uh is is the symptom is empathy. You are not you you are no longer you

know hey get up in the morning pick up your new bootstrap go and work hard right it's now oh daddy's got to can give me a car uh I can go I expect this uh go to university and the university looks at it hey I can charge you know three times more um my administrative cost increases I don't really give you a degree that gets you a proper job. I start giving welfare a lot and then I tax my people high. Right? At the end of the day, you drain your treasury. You start thinking about, oh, I'm going to save the climate, which until today, if you challenge me, I'm willing to debate

on the science of it. So, what happens? You shoot yourself in the foot. They haven't they haven't they are not delivering. No doubt. No doubt the west, Europeans, US, they are wealthier societies,

but they've been wealthy for a long time. Long time. But still, at the end of the day, it's not recent, correct? It's come to a head. It's a time. It's just But still, it's how much money you make versus the price of a cup of coffee. Everything is going up. Is wealth is relative. Life is not becoming easier for them. It's becoming more difficult. And as you mentioned just now, you get degrees, you they don't they can't get jobs or they can't get the right jobs or the right qualifications. Uh these are real issues. And then all these immigrants coming in into their

countries is messing up the place and using up a lot of their resources and the the complaint in the UK is very valid. the local people are not given the due the what they uh I mean their their access to social services, education, uh health, public housing whereas the immigrant who comes uh just off the board is given pushed to the top of the line using their taxpayers uh money. So it it doesn't at the end of the day they are being shortch changed.

That's just one aspect of the economy. Yeah. So you have to multiply this manifold through the various throughout the entire economy through education, government services, job opportunities, business opportunities. Life is getting very difficult for them. Uh and they can see that you know if you ask them how do you see the next five years? People are like I don't know. They're not certain

very positive about the future. They do not you you can't see so clearly what's going to happen the next five years. So you know this guy was working in London 15 years ago. He was a journalist for Reuters. And I was asking him, why did you leave London 15 years ago?

Oh gosh. Give a give give a short snapshot of that. Okay. So for a start, you want to work in a vibrant economy, right? So we think that, you know, we come from the Far East. We think the British were so good, so good. Actually, I was in school there in the early ' 80s, mid ' 80s, and I realized actually the British are not very,

they're not as clever as we thought they were. You know, they were leaders, right? But then when I went back and worked in the square mile in the Canary Warf in the in the late um uh 2000 about 2008 2009 right the productivity of the typical British um banker corporate you know worker stock broker and the scraml who you think are the top of the pyramid in terms of the the workers there are bloody lazy bunch you know I told Sam this and Sam was like huh really they would go off for lunch at 12 12:15 12:30 go have a long boozy lunch multiple glasses of wine and they'll go on to 2

230 245 and then go back to the trading desk and then do trades, you know, and they'll be I'm I'm not kidding you. They would be pissed, okay, drunk like like like sloshed, right? And then key in trades, not the best of

and then you get things like Nick Le happen and and you know and all these kind of things, right? Jerome Caviel at Sojen and all that these kind of things and then at 4:30 they bugger off. They leave early. They go down the pub. They have lost

and day in day out, you know? And then you add to that, right? You bring in an a migrant community who are hungry hardwork but well you have a part that is hungry and hardworking then that's fine but then you start then those guys the initial part they assimilate. Then you bring in a bunch of hoo-ha from somewhere in a culture that are lazy. They don't have the same uh work ethics. They have a very different cultural outlook and they don't want to assimilate. They speak their own language. They want their own laws within the

don't they don't know what laws are. They don't they don't and then they are all under you know and they commit crimes. So why not the people who are hardworking get pissed off? You know, here's the funny part. I think I don't know how your experience is because you went to Purdue, right? And uh I was in Florida.

I mean, I'm trying to compare your difference. You are 15 years. I was 82 to 86. I was in college. And uh I find that uh here's what I find uh with uh uh with my American colleagues or my my American classmates, right? Um the portions that are smart are damn bloody smart, you know, right? And they work hard. That's one thing. and and those are the guys that actually end up to be at the top of the food chain in terms of developing technologies, moving the economy, doing all this type of thing. And then I went into uh uh in in in u into uh my work life and then into business and I found the same

thing, the same culture. Okay. I I mean one of my favorite movie is American Psycho. All right. So actually when he was telling me this story actually it reminded me of American psycho. So I don't I I don't have that wall street culture in me. I I I'm more entrepreneur business people. And until today I keep going back and I find the same attitude. They are all really you know they roll up their sleeves and they they they work hard. Right. So I understand how the American detest illegal immigrants coming into their country and actually all of a sudden just given all the uh

the the the the free things in life while they have to work their ass off, you know, right? I mean, if you even if you're a waiter or waitress, you're dependent on your tips.

So you're hustling all the time, right? So this is where I think uh Trump was absolutely right when he put them in he said didn't he not say to Europe that your country uh you know didn't he use the f word

going to hell yeah it's going to hell he said and I I I think I don't think he's wrong I think they have to do something about it but the powers that be okay I think the powers are also funded by um the capital market, you know, the way I see it, that is why WF um uh and and the takeover of the UN uh uh the UN uh apparatus including IMF um and you know the Davos crowd or basically capital market crowds.

Well, you know, I heard something very interesting this morning, right? Sure. Go on. for for the year 2025 this year year to date right London has dropped out of the top 20 global short share markets for IPOs

seriously yeah and and London at one stage right was the financial capital of the world now it's is out of the top 20 in fact Dubai has outranked them in IPO activity this year that's how bad it is no you want to have IPO you must have vibrant entrepreneurial business

correct right but if you think no but you can you can be you can be a foreign country foreign company coming to list in London that's fine Right. But you want to have a deep and broad capital market with a good investor base. And right now in London is not it.

It's it's the first thing actually is this. You know, you ask me, you must have a domestic base of that first. If you don't have your domestic base of companies that can go IPO,

all right? Then I can tell you, you are expecting other people to come to your market and IPO at your market. It doesn't work that way. It doesn't work. your base must be there first.

Right? So I think that is what Trump is doing. That is absolutely right. When he tariff and and basically I've said this I said I don't know whether you agree with me or not. I said the world has never been a free market. America has been a free market. Okay. But the world has never been. All he has done is restructured the global trade regime which is say oh you tariff me right. I'm going to now say okay I'm going to tariff you as well. All right. And I'm also going to see how much minimally I can earn import tax uh to uh to to cover some of my uh budgetary fiscal requirement. Right? So

I think that what he is doing is makes sense from as a businessman. It makes absolute sense for me. You know, the uh the other thing I I noticed uh in uh President Trump's speech was the things that he did not say.

You know, every time American presidents talk to audience, world audience, like the famous George Bush Jr., Obama in his famous Cairo speech, George Bush Jr., you know, the famous speech, either you are with us or against us. Uh I think Obama went to Cairo and told the Arabs uh like something like you're due for change, you know, to to bring in change. And uh I think a year or two after his speech was the Arab Spring and all the Arab regimes got overthrown, you know. So uh but in Trump's speech he never used this this straight jacket American terminologies like uh democracy freedom

we are here to fight for what democracy spread democracy in the world and all that. He didn't use all that language, the George Bush kind of language. uh he didn't he towards the closing of his speech he uh he I mean he said that he wished for all the all the peoples all the countries in this world before that he said he said all the leaders who were present at that UN speech on that day and all the countries they represented they have all worked hard to build to develop their their communities their countries to push their people forward he acknowledged all the the

leaders in all the countries around the world. And then he expressed a hope that all the people in all the countries around the world will will progress and they will they will fight. He said fight fight fight for their freedoms without mentioning u communist countries or democracies or autocracies. Yeah.

He didn't there was no differentiation. There was no that uh us against them kind of uh usage of vocabulary in his speech which which was always present in previous presidents American presidents talking to the world he addressed the entire world and he said we should all you know fight for our freedoms and and move our people forward. So without discriminating between the famous communist non-communist divide and things like that. So basically he's looking at all countries as friends and potential business partners. He's a dealmaker. Remember he went to North

Korea and Kim Jong-un he still considers him a friend. And uh last week was last week or this week? This week early this week four years of Biden the peace process or the the thawing of relations between North Korea and South Korea went out the window. You know, Trump visited the Panmunj that line and he crossed the line into North Korea

when he was first term as president. Then Biden took over. All that went out the window. Now just this week, South Korea has again sort of reestablished contact with North Korea to continue their their dialogue so to speak. There's not going to be a peace between them next week or next year. I doubt as far as reconciliation. That's a 50 years 100 years. I do not know. But at least they they start talking to starting to talk again South Korea. They want to talk again with North Korea. So again, this is again because of Trump Trump 2.0. So uh it's all part of it reflects

the attitude of the American administration now. Uh let's let's there's no need to fight and you know be hostile towards each other. Let's just get on with it and move on and do something. Let's do some business and that kind of things. I think that's what people don't get about

that came across very well in his speech. There was no animosity towards anyone even Venezuela who he doesn't like now. No, I think I think people tend to uh I I I I want to get into that but I think I'll put that to later which is basically I say I I want to ask you why is it inspire what is it that we see which is exactly what you you're saying. I don't see him having animosity with actually anyone. I mean, you're talking about he expects he told he what did he say? He said he thought that uh the Ukraine war was the easiest for him to solve because he and Putin are friends,

right? And he felt that you know that was the easiest war. But you see here's also his honesty. Instead he said it becomes the hardest. Yeah. War is war. No, no, but I mean I'm talking about the how he characterized things in his speech. No president is going to admit that. I can tell you I've never heard a president admit that. I thought this was going to be the easiest because I have this relationship with this leader and then I'm wrong.

Well, well, politics is all about um winning a beauty contest, right? They never speak the truth. Yeah. But in this case, but Donald Trump does speak. did speak the truth speaks like a normal person. Correct. So I mean I see things and here again when people say and this goes to our even our last part where I was trying to explain maybe not articulately enough you know I think that you know people don't see Trump does not want war. He wants low energy prices so that everybody can get rich. He sees the green and mean he call it what? The green uh uh the green climate scam or

something like that. He said it's the biggest con job in history. Yeah, it's the biggest con job in history. I agree. You agree? I agree. Yeah. I mean I agree and not just I agree. I would actually challenge anybody in the audience, anyone anywhere here in Koala Lumpo in a climate uh symposium to call me as a panel member and let's debate. Okay.

No, to save to save mother earth, right? You literally suck out carbon dioxide. You remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. You liquefy it. What? What? Minus - 243°C. A engineer. You liquefy it and then you pump it 2 km in Alberta, Canada. You pump it 2 km into the ground into mother earth and you leave it there and you're saving the earth.

You know what toxic I I mean it's so funny. I I I I mean I'm a chemical engineer, right? You know, I I I I I'm like I I I find the the the arguments from the the climate and renewables people actually so laughable. And from a business person's standpoint, I said the the the the renewable scam, the bubble of the renewable energy even today with the over production from China of solar panels, batteries uh and whatnot, they still cannot compete with fossil fuel in terms of uh in terms of price.

They create the hype because as Donald Trump said in his speech, there's money. Yeah, there's huge money. money renewable energize, right? You're just pumping money. It's a scam. You create the fear and then somebody selling the renewable energy to

these new narratives such as ESG and the climate are basically new business plans. That's it. That's it. And and and there's the new So, you know, if you're a car manufacturer, right, we've all we've all own cars, right? Any any car mechanic can repair an old Toyota, right? Today, you buy one of these new EVs, only that manufacturer can repair it. And so somehow you got a captive new revenue stream where you you get to monetize them for the lifetime down the road for ages and ages.

I mean let's ask the let's ask the chemical engineer your carbon dioxide content in atmosphere is 0.04%. This is NASA and uh the National Oceanic Administration's figures which can be debated.

0.04% of the atmosphere is carbon dioxide. How can tweaking that figure up or down affect the temperature of the remaining 90 99? No, 99.06% I think. How how 99.96%.

I was just saying one volcano blow up, okay, is enough for you to actually destroy 3 years of your carbon capture uh situation. And by the way, you know, uh, guess what? Our our beautiful greenery that provide oxygen to the living beings, uh, our our, you know, uh, uses as, uh, their fuel.

Carbon dioxide. So, it's it's just a scam. And people have made money from this. Oh, yeah. I mean, billions. They've made billions. One of them was El Gore. Yeah. The founder of the carbon credit trading, right? Algo Gore. He's a multi,

you know. I used I used to cover the carbon markets in London 2008. Right. Right. And it was the biggest scam. They would buy you know rather than actually reduce your emissions they would buy carbon credits in some far far

and then who would go and find out that they were doing the right thing? They will scam each other and they they securize. you buy carbon credits to offset your if you had a forest reserve in your country or a nature preserve you know the coral ree that you cannot touch they can issue carbon credit certificates based on those things and trade it

and it's it's another financial market and guess what they try to do that in Malaysia today 17 years later hello it failed then in London what are we doing that's that's the other thing I want to say this this point about from Trump's speech at uh the United Nations and I want to link it to our country,

right? Since after all we are in Malaysia, let's say something about Malaysia audience, this is link has a linkage to a Malaysian. You see, I I want to go back in history. You see, uh do you remember ISO 9,000?

Oh, yeah. Oh my god. You going back that far. Okay. I mean, what was IO 9,000 all about? When it when when they brought in ISO 9,000 into the country here, it was a government thing. The government went all out on ISO 9,000.

It actually came from the Europeans. Yeah. But here it was mostly a government thing. The private sector was not too keen on it. But and then what happened? We spent so much money. It cost us so much. Cost of doing business went up with the government. Cost of doing business with the government went up because of ISO 9,000. And then the president's change, the prime minister's changed. And no, today you ask any university undergraduate do you know what is ISO 9,000 back in the night? They go like what? You know, nobody knows. And then you had these are I call

this the the sky is falling kind of uh scare scare tactics scare issues to to scare the people. Then you had Y2K. Thankfully thank thankfully Y2K is lasted only one second right 31st December 1999 right because they said 1 second into the year 2000 all the computers are going to crash around the world. So it lasted only one second. The moment people turn on their computers after midnight, everything was fine. So that's the end of Y2K. But people made money from that. We just followed Malaysia followed. And then uh do you remember the T TPPA under Obama transpacific agreement?

Transpacific partnership agreement. Can I just add into that? The TP TPPAP TPA TPPA TPPA TPP TPPA. Okay. is basically um an offshoot of of what uh multi- multilateral trade uh regime is all about which is uh which which is born out of the WTO and Trump is dismantling every single one.

Yeah. With with arm twisting. All right. TPPA was arm twisting. You had to agree or various repercussions will hit you. But okay, besides the point when when Obama was pushing TPPA, that became the rage here. We also everybody started talking about TPPA.

I remember I was on radio at the time as though without there's no future for Malaysia, you know. And then Obama uh Oh, today can I add that therefore today without ESG certification there, we got no future.

Oh, that's it. Oh, okay. The stock exchange, the the securities commission and whatnot is actually pushing this so hard. Then uh Obama left the scene and the TPPA went out the window with Obama

overnight. You know, everybody forgot about TPBA. And then you have global warming, climate change. This has been lasting a bit long. But then again, you have a new president who comes now, Trump. Well, this is his second term. He says, "I don't believe in global uh climate change, global warming, whatever." And uh there's a somebody yanked up a handbrake on this issue all around the world. And it's no more an issue anymore even in our country. So why why do we

because we're stupid? That's it. Somebody comes up with ISO 9,000, TPPA, global warming, and this we just go along with it. Can I can And then when the president changes, we go like, okay, let's forget about it. Who what see what the next president is going to say? What

you know why I call ESG? So now they they want you to have ESG certification. All right. Okay. You know what I call ESG certification is the halal certification of the western world.

All right. They want a halal chop. They have a jakim somewhere. They have a jakim in Brussels. Right. Okay. That's how they making the money. You know when we when ISO 9000 first came out, I was still in Shell. All right. I was like, why are we doing this?

You know why? Shell is a 200y old company. Okay. I have a manual just that thick that covers all our operation in the upstream from the time we do um seismic survey until we do field development and construction. You think you can do better than us after 200 years of operation? So these are the flavors of the month. You know, whenever there's a new president or something new comes up in the west, they come out with these weird ideas and the and the rest of the world, especially third world countries, including us, we start hopping, singing, and dancing to these new tunes, you

know, without realizing why are we doing this? You know, that movie Wolf of Wall Street um and then there's a scene in the restaurant, Matthew McConn. Hey, yeah, that one right with DiCaprio. And then DiCaprio says he's the you know rookie uh stock broker right he says is it better if you make your clients money. Then McConn partner the managing partner says the truth is you always have a new situation right you never let them sell. You introduce them a new idea a new situation. You let them stay in the carousel the game. You never let them cash out. This is it right? There's Y2K

then there's ESG. Then there's climate change and then there's this. There's that. You're constantly beded by these new narratives. you you your 50% of your audience is American, but I hope the remainder of your audience who are Malaysians today if they listen to us talking come to your senses and uh don't just be third world goofballs. Uh just ready to follow what somebody else says, you know, somebody someone comes up with a new weird idea, new buzzwords, and then everybody has to start singing the same tune, you know, like as though if you don't do it, that's the end of the world and that's

the end of us. Well, this has to stop. I know we have to start thinking. We have to start using our own common sense. No, the common sense that I have that I want to tell actually for our East Asian uh audience uh is that whatever happens in America and why we talk about America a lot and why we talk about the developed world a lot is because in uh in in in my experience they are they are practically about a decade ahead of us. So whatever happens a decade ago, okay, we are just trying to follow their butt. Okay. So actually when you see what they doing now in America and they are changing is

because they've already been beaten and they are now changing. But we are so late, you know, because we are always that copycat, right? That wants to be there. We don't realize they've already they they've already said hey this is not working. Yeah, if it if it works fine, but if it's dubious, debatable, you know, don't know what results you're going to come out with, you know, why why why, you know, be so worked up over something that is not yet proven or that is proven to to not work at all. And and here's the thing why I think why Donald Trump is exactly the president that America

needed and a leader that actually the world is seeing now to make these changes is because he looks from a practical businessman standpoint. He knows it doesn't work. He knows that is just scam you know. So I mean uh I like I don't know I've been in the marine sector uh in in oil and gas. I've been in the marine sector. The IMO wants to international maritime organization wants to have a a carbon um carbon neutral or zerocarbon target of certain and they want to have uh renewable engines and all this blah. You know what Trump has done in the UN? and he said if you do that I'm going to

tariff you right so there goes that out the window you know so I think if you if if and the thing that people need to understand right now I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that after Trump more than likely JD Vance is going to be the next president for the next eight years. Okay, the guy is damn good. And actually, not just Republican has got such a deep bench, but the Democrats bench is basically cobwebs, you know, and full of woke uh lunatics. So, I think, you know, if we don't see this now and actually take the hint from what Trump is doing, we're going to get

screwed. man. Okay, just just watch. Okay, so our our situation here is do it now. Do it now because the guy ain't gonna I mean he he he he ain't playing it, man. He's going to make it done, you know. So I I you know I think u I mean going to that actually I mean we've touched the green scam, right? um we've touched the institution of uh of uh of of

the UN the the UN itself. There's one thing that actually he did mention I want to touch and I I I want your point on it. Uh say uh NATO okay we've touched a bit in the sense that the NATO countries themselves are are funding the war against themselves.

I think I think Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Go ahead. But n I mean I think the mainstream media was saying when JD Vance went to Europe and gave that lecture remember that lecture that he gave the whole mainstream media went he's uh you know he's breaking our ties with NATO they are not leaving NATO they just said

they say oh they're not going to increase I mean the US has been funding NATO and the NATO countries has not stepped up today what did Trump achieve 5% of their GDP

it doesn't serve it it doesn't serve the interests of the public. It doesn't serve the interests of the their communities, the European communities, their society and it doesn't serve the interest of the voters who are going to vote for JD Vance

and who voted for Trump. At the end of the day, they are politicians also because if it doesn't not benefit the people, then it's uh it's not going to benefit you as a politician, as a leader, you're going to lose your power. the the the statement that Donald Trump uh made or rather the facts that he pointed out that NATO countries are buying Russian oil and thereby financing the war against uh

against themselves. I think he's going to use that as leverage. Yeah. Because right now a bit about the Ukraine war. Sure. Zalinski Zalinski is uh taking instructions. The number one people behind Zalinsky are the Brit British Brits. The war is being run from London from a place called GCHQ. Oh, really?

Sheltonham. You think so? Yes. GCSQ is general communications headquarters. The intelligence MI5 um MI6 uh well yeah their intelligence headquarters. GCHQ is in a place called Chelton Ham. It's a very famous place. That's where they do all the skull dagger. But daily orders are issued how to conduct the war from there that this is like quite well known you know.

Mhm. So uh but some Trump by making that statement he's basically saying look if this is what you want you you you're doing don't think I know what you're doing and I think he's going to use it as a leverage against NATO because the target is NATO against NATO so that they will cut down on this bravado and all this adventurism and I don't know what other agendas they have to prolong the war in Ukraine that NATO and the British will change their minds And if they if he can get NATO and the British to change their minds, that will have an impact on Ukraine, on Zalinski. The war

can be brought to a closure. The ceasefire, what they want is a ceasefire. The lines are already there because the Russians do not seem to have much interest in really invading Ukraine, crossing over into Poland, from there into Austria and Germany. They're not interested in all that. May may I ask you this question then actually because he has already put up a proposal to put in right in essence he's basically saying you practically can have whatever that you've already taken so far

which NATO doesn't accept does not accept and uh Ukraine the sum block the sum is has accepted it either uh I think Putin wants certain guarantees he wants the demilitarization of Ukraine of Ukraine and he wants neutrality not just Not just uh what do you call this? Guarantees

you can't get demilitarization. Not just uh guarantees that Ukraine will not join NATO. He wants demilitarization. You can you can you can bargain it down. You can discuss it down from there. You can but I think the these people are standing at the other extreme. You have withdraw completely from all the the the the parts of Ukraine is occupied by Russia now which which Putin will not agree. Let's let I mean I I I want to get this because I I know you are more knowledgeable of this than I am. Uh and it's been bothering me because I am of the opinion and I thought that was the

case in the sense that uh uh Trump has put on the table that basically is an exchange of territory and peace. Right? This this is in essence what it's all about. Whatever you've taken,

you keep it. Yep. Let's stop the war. Right? Now that should put enough. And if Putin were just to say, "Okay, that's fine. America, you guarantee that."

Yeah, I think that's what he's trying to say, right? He wants a guarantee. He wants a guarantor, right? So, if America is willing to guarantee that by their presence in in Ukraine in business, which they have already taken effectively with the mineral deals. All right. Their economic interest is now within Ukraine.

You're talking about the Americans. The Americans. Okay. Right? Because there was that that that mineral deals that was concluded with Scott Basson, right? And uh and and and Zalinski. So if you got that, why do you keep on bombing? You just stop it, right? And then you put the pressure into Europeans. I don't understand why he keep on

bombing. uh there no both sides or the Ukrainian side also both sides have not come to any real agreement there's no day after scen day after scenario has not been agreed upon so it is still all out war so Putin says if I cease fire now stop firing now and they haven't fully agreed they're just going to rearm and come back and then without those guarantees joining NATO and all those things uh it's it's it's that is not it is not good uh good business

say uh this point I I just I I want to ask I I I just need some clarity that uh in terms of uh the involvement of the I mean you put it that the UK is very much behind what is happening in Ukraine right

so um why I mean they are so far away from the theater of war as I say they're using this war to first of all cut down Germany to size and uh Russia.

Why do that? Why? Why cut down Germany to size? I mean they leftover of their great British Empire, leftover of their great British Empire. Uh you know, dreams of empire, the great game, whatever. Uh people find it hard to to understand why the British are so paranoid about Russia, about this war. But I think it comes down to financial interests.

Okay, the London bankers are always financing everything around the world. Wars are profitable, you know, but of course this speculative, but there's got to be there has to be a money angle somewhere. Of course, the weapons manufacturers are making a lot of money. All those bombs, aerial bombs that are dropped are made in UK. There's a huge bomb factory in the UK. I didn't know that.

I I didn't know that. I thought they I thought they they're bringing it from uh from the US. Yes, Americans make bombs, but the the UK manufactures a lot of bombs. The old sell the dumb gravity bombs comes from UK.

I see. But now they're all smarter. They fix all the flying wing gadgets and stuff like that. But UK is a major weapon supplier. Ah, so they make money. Somebody has to make money. At the end of the day, it's all about money. But the the British are in it for this the the famous the great game. you know, they want to be the

they still want to hold on to their to their to their to their fading empire various uh motivations. But whatever you say, they are in the game. They are very much involved. You see, remember when um Boris Johnson was prime minister for that year or something, he flew down to Ukraine when the Russians had surrounded Kiev.

Uhhuh. The Russian army actually surrounded Kiev and the Russians said we will withdraw subject to terms ceasefire which Zalinski almost agreed. Okay. Boris Johnson flew down to Kiev and told Zalinski don't agree. We'll back you up.

We'll back. Yeah, I remember that one. Yes. And then they conned the Russians. They said, "Okay, we will agree to cease fire." The Russians pulled back. They didn't cease fire. Boris Johnson. Yeah, he reminded me. Everybody knows Boris Johnson during a war. It was a war zone. Boris Johnson flew into Kiev.

God damn it. To convince Zerinski, no, don't don't make any terms now. Incredible, man. So, I mean, I I think the more you look at what Trump said and how he has put uh I do think there is a game plan. I there this guy, his cabinet, the way I see it, they've got a game plan for everything. They just don't come out and just say it. people underestimate this fellow uh to their own peril in my opinion you know so when he goes out and talk about the institution of the UN in that way he's got a game plan I mean he's like you said he's already taken the US out of who he doesn't care and I think that

if you look at from a commerce standpoint right from a commerce standpoint he doesn't like uh uh what do you uh the institution of the of WTO either right so what he's doing is actually like any good business I would rather negotiate with multiple suppliers rather than I negotiate with a consortium of suppliers that has a judge that has that is going to arbitrate between me and my supplier how stupid kind of commerce is that you know what I Say you and I do small business as well, right? Okay. Even if I when I was doing big business, that is collusion. I I wouldn't want to do that with my

suppliers. This uh rules-based uh order, whatever they call it, rules based order. It uh it has not it has not really helped even themselves.

I don't know who it helps. It doesn't it does not really it it works against their own interest and uh Trump is a common sensical guy and his old his whole team the entire batch of Republicans this they seem to have more common sense than the Democrats like you mentioned the ESG just now you see

uh I don't know what is the head or tail of that this this whole idea behind this ESG and uh oh I think we call it CSR isn't it? No, no, no, no, no. It's a very different than CSR. Okay.

Okay. The ESG I uh it stands for environ uh environmental sustainability and governance. Social. No, no, sustainability. I'm sorry. Sustainability. Yes, sustainability. Okay.

And the funny thing is that so you got environment one. All right. You got sust. The first time it came out, uh uh I was asking that question. Are you talking about my business sustainability? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. they say but actually it's not

it's actually uh it it's actually uh put another layer behind it the actual sustainability is is about environmental sustainability so I as a company

has got to track my carbon footprint okay I have to show how I am helping to sustain the environment okay so like I said do you know um the Five uh biggest country that actually if you want to believe in this folklore of myth I call it right the five biggest country um that produces carbon uh that goes into the atmosphere is basically America, China, Russia, India maybe then the EU okay or EU somewhere around there I don't know what the biggest economy

in the world and if you think India is going to be worried about uh their carbon footprint, you go and fly kite. If you think China is worried about their carbon footprint in spite of what they say, go fly kite. No,

as Trump said in the speech, Europe has cut down their carbon footprint by 37%. But the the price though, but at what price? But the global carbon footprint has gone up by 54%. Yeah. And and not just that birds fly across borders without pass. I said, "Why is Malaysia a poor country with a GDP per capita of not even $13,000?" Okay, wanting to be worried about this when our people need the cheapest energy source we can. And actually let's put it this way the u the the the equivalent of us saving soal our carbon emission in the world is equivalent to me farting

today. Okay. And that's how much it will affect I capture that fight or that's my effect on the smell of this room. You know,

you're not going to talk about our multi-billion ringit carbon capture. No, I'm not. I've talked about that already. So, you know, I mean, the the the So, I can see that he's going to dismantle. I think the dismantling I think we did an episode we call the resetting of uh global economics by Trump, right? Or or something to that extent. I think we are also looking at a restructuring of um of of of the UN and global institutions um away from multilateralism. I mean come on you look at it like you said uh most of the countries are not not paying anything to be part of the UN. So I

said you I mean we we pay tax, right? I don't I I mean I people are going to kill me for this, okay? But I'm going to say it anyway, all right? Why is my vote the same as a guy who doesn't even pay taxes? Why is my vote I pay more tax? Well, we cannot go to the Roman system where only the

why not only the the those uh adult males I'm going to say property owners can vote. No, to be to be to be honest, you asked me, I said, "Why not?

Why not? If you don't pay taxes, you don't have a vote, you know, because number one, all right, you're not contributing to actually the the the the the income of the state. Why do you have a say of how the income of the state is being used?" But I I hope uh the point that you're trying to make and what uh Donald Trump said about United Nations and all these uh what global institutions that so many we have today earlier we mentioned WH and all that. We really have to us Malaysia here, we really have to rethink our the usefulness of all these bodies and organizations

in how they impact our policym. Yeah, it's okay to belong to these uh societies or organizations or you know like like belonging to your favorite badminton club or your favorite maybe four-wheel drive club you see but you don't change your family's uh habits your family's culture according to your favorite bminton club or

worst thing is actually when you keep on buying the records that actually you're not winning anything and uh but that's what we are doing you know when we when We become members of all these global institutes and global organizations. You know, we tend to get carried away by what they tell us

and they impose rules upon you. You can say no. You there are ways of getting around this. But some people seem to be carried away like oh we have to follow the world bank standards. We have to follow the IMF regulations. you know like as though it is uh biblical or written in spoken since you talk about that right since you talk about that you are an ex dude you're an ex banker right what is happening now for example because of all these ESG uh rules and uh this whole uh uh this whole uh uh getting sucked up by the new green scam. Okay. Uh the banks are not lending to fossil fuel countries.

This exactly what industry exactly in Malaysia. Yeah. They're not lending. Exactly. So basically we are killing our own industry. So what what does our government what does our banking regulator do?

Nothing. In fact they want to follow that. In fact our regulators are actually promoting this some more. This is the problem. This is exactly the problem. Isn't it crazy? Like like 20% of our GDP is oil and gas. It's like India and China. They are members of the United Nations or all these organizations. But when they want to shoot their rockets into the moon, space and their satellite launches, they just pick a spot

and they send their rockets up and launch the satellites up. Whereas we we sign this international there's a treaty, you know, that sort of governs this putting uh satellites into outer space. uh some radio whatever uh uh treaty or something satellites and all that and when we shot our first satellite into space all those years ago we had to get approval you know for our slot in the sky whereas the Indians and Chinese go like what approval of what slot in space the final frontier

this where no man has gone before this slot is occupied I'll just go and what's the Yeah. Who gets there first? Oh, no. We are we are signatories to this convention, you know, so we have to obey the rules and don't know.

Oh, I I have no we just handcuff ourselves. Exactly the point you're saying about all these uh now the the green regulations. I know some banks are not financ all banks they're not financing. Why?

Why? Why? when your country needs this money in order to grow its biggest GDP portion. China now is the largest economy PPP in the world they are member of UN they are member of WTO whatever but back home in China they do what is good for China

for them yeah they do what and this is why to to to be honest I you ask me right why did all this come about it's because of the global capital market primarily push from London from Brussels from Stockholm from uh uh from Wall Street Okay, the money man, okay, has now has control people like you got private equities like black rock that are controlling all these corporation and they are making money by just pushing paper. Okay. So they are making this policy from what that is how divorce becomes so influential and then what happens is that's why Epstein go to divorce okay that's why you go to

divorce to get wine and dine and everybody from their you know mother and their you know uh great grandson will go to divorce on a private jet. Okay. This is how they control uh the money supply into the various industries and they put all this regulation. There comes the guy that they the last guy they want to see who's going to he's bringing in a hammer and just knocking down every one of it. That's why Trump is so hated.

So now I want to tell our Malaysian friends. So now since um shall I say your president, President Trump has uh basically questioned uh the usefulness of United Nations and all that. Yeah.

So take some uh take it take get a pointer from that get some advice from that. That's a good point that he has made. You know why do we why are we so hung up on this international organizations like United Nations when they're not functioning? They're not performing. They're not helping us. So just okay, we can be members of all these agencies and world organizations because we want to be part of the society of nations, but you have to use your own common sense and you have to put the interest of your own country and your own people first instead of following other people's uh

rules and regulations and this and and waiting to see what other people want you to do to do. This is what Trump this is what Trump has put across. Yes. Absolutely. Because in his closing speech, you know, when he used the word fight, fight three times,

he said, "I made that was the that was exactly what he said when he got shot." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. The famous fight fight. He did he did say he said fight. And the only time he used the word freedom, he said uh defend your freedom uh and fight for your freedom. He's telling all the the countries in the world, all nations and all the leaders who came to listen to him. He said fight for your freedom.

He didn't say that uh follow follow democracy. He didn't he didn't say that if you don't come to democracy, democracy will come to you. Remember the B-52 the picture of the B52 dropping bombs. He didn't say that.

Uh he he told the people the you know the world society of nations to fight for your freedom. So, so now we in Malaysia, we have the clue. We have been given the the clue. We have to fight for our freedom. We have to take care of ourselves.

Yeah. We have to actually chart our own path. Do what is good for us. Yes. And not just be a copycat of uh what do you call? Don't just be monkeys to what the Europeans are telling us this is the right way.

The so many years I've seen it year administration after administration, you know, new government after new government. They hire a whole bunch of consultants. It's usually Boston or or Mckenzie or one of these guys. Sorry. Should I not am I not supposed to say that u pay millions, right? The new plan comes out and then it's the same.

No, those No, no, no, no. Can I say something? Yeah. those pe I I've dealt with this because when I was in Shell we had a well you know they call us for the we had such great system when I was there in about I think in the in the late '9s because before about two three years before I left Shell I was doing one of the team doing the re-engineering and they hired all these outside company like that you know I don't want to name names okay but you know those big name tellers right okay

and basically they destroyed the culture of what was actually built over 200 years successfully, you know, because and and all they did was they come and talk to us, okay? And then we tell them and then they re put everything into their PowerPoint and then they go and tell our management

and then they charge a few million and then they charge you a few million. Yeah. The hell, man. You know, and and it cost us, you know, it cost us money a lot. It cost us opportunities. You know, you know recycling recycling has got a kickoff date. This goes back I don't know maybe about maybe by now about over 25 years 30 years you know and there was a song they used to play a jingle in the in the in the TV re

reduce recycle recycle something like that we we then recycling got off to a start of aluminum glass plastics whatever and then we found out that certain metal recycling we were not allowed to recycle because being a third world nation we did not have the technology

to to control the toxic to get rid of the toxic waste that come out of this recycling businesses, metal recycling. So uh they try to put a a cap on uh third world countries like us in developing uh how dare they recycling industry because at the time I was a banker

and one of my clients was in the recycling business and they said they had uh this kind of restrictions you know uh basically in terms of uh technology the western people would not sell the recycling technology

but these things all are ridiculous they it doesn't last more than until the next fer in Taiwan invents the the furnace that can do the recycling, you know, using half the amount of energy and things like that at half the cost.

So within a few years that thing went went out the window. Now we got recycling all over the all over the world. You see, but these are the things they use to safeguard their own interest first. Dude, do you remember how how how fervent the um um uh the opposition against um what was that? the the one the the rare earth uh

liners rare earth factory that you know 20 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's running. Still running today. Nobody is talking. Everybody wants to build one. What's the guy's name? I know him.

Yeah. The guy who Fuz guy who who lay down on the road is Yeah. All right. You know today everybody talk about oh we need to uh you know we we need to refine rare earth

you know look at I mean we never learn from history you know this culture of um the lack of independent thought laziness right we don't think and I think it's because we okay and and tell me if I'm I'm off the mark here right it's because for many Malaysians we have a culture of acquiescence right because of our cultures because of our faiths because of our uh the Asian way of life. We're not meant to question. We're not meant to uh speak up. We're meant to follow what the elders say. We're supposed to follow the rules of our faith. Supposed to dress a certain way, eat a certain

way, grow up with only this race, conform, conform, conform. So when we grow up and to become adults into the working life, we are just we don't have independent thought because we have been bereft of it for 20 over years. Right? But there's also another part actually with this in a society the leaders of a society your 1% or your you know less than 5% are supposed to be uh the thought leaders and actually the movers of of society. The the problem that we face in terms of our culture is that you know all they do is they ape the the uh pane they they they just they they just aping what is

the fat today. Yeah. because it's convenient understanding of having critical thought of what is exactly going on because it's popular and it's convenient. So, Donald Trump is breaking some of this uh these uh

I I don't call it some, bro. I I think he's breaking probably about 90% of he's going with a sledgehammer. He's breaking all these stereotypes and breaking the mold. Y

and basically I think uh if you ask me uh what I get from Donald Trump is that you start start thinking on your own, start moving on your own. Why do you think can we close on this? I mean at this stage right I just want to ask your opinion. I have mine upseted it. I think Chang has got his I mean we see what he's doing. What Trump is doing is basically uh not just bringing the house down but re uh uh uh reestablishing a new order of things. I call it actually a what I would call to me is a restructuring of a chapter 11 company the United States and actually with that as well um the global

um so uh the global political and economic uh situation but then which I think is a good thing then the question I have to you is this why can't other people see this and why do they hate him so That's my question as a closer for today. Well, a lot of people uh really don't know because I've asked them, you know, remember when he first became Trump 1.0, you know, all this uh late night talk shows and all this uh the Tonight Shows and all that, they were they were making fun of uh Trump. But uh granted, he did call Kim Jong on the rocket man, remember? Yeah. So they said he was

going to create third world war and start shooting missiles at North Korea. So they went on and on about this for months. You know the guy called Trevor Noah. Yeah. He kept going on and on. Trump is going to create third world war by shooting missiles against the rocket man Kim Jong-un. And then he went to Panunj and crossed the border into Korea, North Korea and shook hands. They were buddies and all that. So that went out the window. I asked a friend of mine who is a managing editor until today of our number one online uh English uh newspaper.

Okay, let's let's not name that. Okay, go on. So, he was going on and on complaining about Trump 1.0, you know. So, I asked him, "Hey, bro, what has he done? What is what is it that wrong that he has done, you know, that you think uh he's this kind of a screwed up guy?" Then he go like, "Um, yeah, I can't think of any. He actually said that you know

so why do you dislike him so much that he couldn't answer so the same question I asked people today right uh he actually has had a hand in those seven conflicts that he put an end to it including India Pakistan

nobody is giving him credit India is totally pissed that he claimed that he he uh what caused a ceasefire between India and Pakistan but the Pakistanis did call Trump okay maybe India didn't call uh Trump but the Pakistanis called that's what I gather. Okay. Uh so from there he got the Rubio for us and all that to communicate the Indians and long story short the ceasefire happened. Okay. But the Indians saying we are the Trump had no hand and stuff like that. But he did do that. You see so uh why what is there to dislike about Trump if he was involved in any way? He was involved in bringing

up this bringing about the ceasefire between India and Pakistan or the conflict for 12 days between Iran and Israel. He had he had a hand in that. Yes. He had a hand in in Congo and Rwanda because that signing ceremony was televised

which nobody cares. Who cares about Congo and Rwanda? Yeah. And people are dying. So why? Okay. What is it that you dislike? Let's take the seven uh uh conflicts or wars or hostilities that he says he has a hand in in bringing an end to it. What about that is that you don't like tell me

he's lying. On that note, you know, I used to work in the mainstream media. I I confess, right? And we talk about the mainstream media, right? There's a laziness of thought there. You know, the reporters, they don't like it. They don't like Trump. But then they don't I don't understand what they don't like about Trump.

Yeah. What has he done? No, the thing is I think I'll I'll if you don't mind I'll conclude in this way. The mainstream media is very much uh uh getting the our mainstream media gets from the mainstream media which is very much a left-leaning and pro-democrat uh institutions. Okay, we all know that

they don't like his hair. Okay, on that note side that was fantastic. Um peace will be the subject of our next conversation actually. Right. Right. Okay. Yeah, sure. Sure. Right. So,

we we unpacked so much. So, we'll let's talk about what's going to I think the the uh Trump peace plan for Israel, Israel, Palestine. Yeah. Palestine. Uh that's going to be interesting. Uh the next week or so.

Yeah. So, I think we'll take it up the next uh in the next podcast next week. Yeah. I think we'll do that. Yeah. Yeah. By that time, we should have some clarity. Yeah. I have some prognostication, but we'll leave it at that. We always prog. Thank you, man. It's always a pleasure having you around, buddy.

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