Will the Ayatollahs Get Wiped Out

Welcome back to the Gutshot podcast. We're into a new uh another this episode is going to be very current. Um we are intrigued. Uh I'm back with um S Akbar.

Morning. Um we uh we're going to dive into this situation um that uh we are seeing uh in the the Middle East specifically in Iran uh and the uh the situation uh between uh the United States and Iran and we want to analyze it a bit what's going to happen. Um and also um I mean sort of like in a sense that is a connection to our previous episode on the club of doom. Uh with that I think I want uh this conversation to uh uh to open up with say can you uh give from uh for our viewers the update?

Sure. Yeah. Okay. Uh first of all there's some other news uh this morning. M last night uh Pakistan bombed Kabul in Afghanistan. So as you know Afghanistan and Pakistan are neighbors of Iran. Nothing to do with Iran but there's some tension and uh Pakistan bombed three locations and they heavily bombed Kabul. There were almost 200 people who got killed.

So the Pakistanis I thought they are same uh religion. The Pakistanis say that the but all the people who were killed were terrorists. The Afghans say that all the people who were killed were civilians. I say all the people who were killed are human beings. Very sad. But uh the attack happened and there's going to be retaliation by the Afghan Taliban. I think they're going to declare war. So this is something that happened just last night a few hours ago. It is still current. So let's see what happens. But that is a part of the world that is really in uh turmoil. So Iran now

uh the US has been gathering a lot of uh their military hardware, weapon systems, airplanes, warplanes and uh naval ships in the area. There are two US aircraft carrier groups in the area. One in the Arabian Sea and one in the Mediterranean. And then massive amounts of uh jet planes, stealth fighters have been moved into the region into Jordan uh into uh Israel and into Qatar at the Udate air base. So they have gathered all these uh humongous amount of forces. Uh it is very difficult to to say that with so much forces having been gathered that they will they will not be used. I think

they've they've crossed a threshold too much expenditure. It cost billions of US dollars to mobilize all these forces and then to decide that no there's not going to be attack. We can all go back now. I don't think that's going to happen. And the other thing is you know the Israeli prime minister he has met the American president Mr. Donald Trump seven times in the last one year. The last was a visit I think just last week where the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu flew to Washington to meet Donald Trump and he said the only topic of discussion was Iran. So with so much

time, energy and money invested in this thing. Uh I think there's going to be some significant u action in that part of the world. So the question now is when is any strike going to take place? There are some scenarios because even the Iranians are threatening that they they can strike. They have threatened to strike the US navy assets. They have threatened to strike US bases in the region which are located in other countries like Jordan uh and Qatar. You know they have threatened to strike uh the Israelis too. uh they may decide to strike on their own. See, the last time there was this

shooting missiles between Iran and Israel was was it two years ago when the is when the Iranians fired missiles into Israel for the first time? For the first time in the history of Iran and Israel, the Iranians actually fired missiles into Israel. They fired. There were two attacks, isn't it? The first one had over I think over 200 missiles and the second one's over a few hundred missiles. Uh they did not do much damage and then the the Israelis counteratt attack. Remember there was a 12 days

12-day war where Israel bombed Iran and then at the last few days the Americans joined in. They basically struck the nuclear sites in Iran and other military facilities. uh they they seriously degraded the radar system, you know, the air defense system. So the Israelis and the Americans had complete dominance over the Iranian airspace quite surprisingly because the Iranians were saying that they were they were a very potent military force. They could destroy anything that comes into their country. But then their air defenses were totally uh overcome in within 24 hours, you

know, just basic. You know what that reminds me of? Say like that. Paper tiger. Yeah. When you say like that, it reminded me of uh uh how Saddam was rattling before the invasion. Similar to that. Yeah.

Because the ease with which the Israelis, you know, got into the Iranian airspace is quite uh stunning, isn't it? Stunning. Very remarkable how they did it so easily. So but the but the situation now is since then the Iranians have sort of rebuilt their capacity and the worry now is that they have uh uh piled up huge amounts of ballistic missiles. They they have they have improved and increased the number of ballistic missiles and there is a fear that if there's hostilities that the Iranians can fire like hundreds of missiles at one go you know like 500 missiles or

whatever at one go and these are ballistic missiles which may have this what is called hypersonic speed they're very fast so then the success of shooting them down could be more difficult you know it be more difficult to shoot them down. So because of this uh the Israelis are very worried they cannot allow such a scenario to happen.

They cannot allow 500 missiles for example ballistic missiles to be launched at their country at one time. That that is like it's like a red total red line. It's a it's a no way situation. So what can they do about it? One suggestion is that the Israelis carry out a uh preemptive strike. the so the Israelis it is very much in their interest to carry out a preemptive strike against these ballistic missiles because if they don't and any kind of hostilities break out there is this huge threat what if they fire 500 600 over missiles ballistic missiles at one time

even let's say a few get through that is one too many it may cause damage for them because Israel is a very small country you know everything is very concentrated whereas because Iran is a huge country, you know. So, uh that is uh uh there is a threat overhanging. Uh whatever the case, it looks like uh military action is most likely

on the horizon. When exactly, we do not know. It could be as early as this weekend, could be uh next week, we do not know. But there is a kind of uh consensus that within this year within this year there will be a change in uh the regime in Iran

one way or the other either through military action or through what is happening on the ground now in Iran. You see the also the consensus now is that uh about 32,000 or 35,000 people were shot and killed you know by the by the IRDC the Islamic Republican.

Well I read from the human rights commission there were there's uh today they just um uh sentenced u an elderly protester uh to be hung and uh the daughter to be in jail for 25 years.

So on the you know what is the basis uh basis is basically going against God. So even the ayatah himself the ayat ali the supreme leader in his speech he said thousands have lost their lives. So of course he said uh including those policemen and things like that but even by his account thousands have lost their lives. the other other people other observers are saying about 32 35,000 people have been killed. So now despite that many people being killed when those people were shot and killed that took place over January 8th and January 9th

which is now being remembered as the day of the great massacre in Iran. January 8th January 9th of this year uh things quietened down for like a week. So, so the the the Ayatollah and the IRGC uh the Islamic revolutionary guardshuh they were happy that they have quelled the protest that they have put a stop to it by shooting everybody on the street but the protesters are back. All the people are protesting in the streets again. Last night there was a big protest uh in Iran and throughout uh Iran in Thran and throughout Iran. People are back on the streets because

the pent up dissatisfaction, anger and the uh total uh hopelessness of of the society there and they're in bad shape. They have come to the point where they say that they have nothing to lose.

This is the dangerous point. This is where revolution is what we always say about when a society has got nothing to lose. That's it. That's it. They have reached they have come to that point now. So even if they shoot 32,000 people, it only keeps them keeps them off the streets for like a week or two weeks and then they come back because a bit like situation here that the things do not change for the better for the people.

Their lives do not change for the better. They they don't see light at the end of the tunnel. So if this is a democracy, you can always go to the polls and vote for another government. But in Iran there's it's not a real

they have a dem they have a they have polling but it's all structured where the word is rigged. Yeah. And and the and um what do you call approved by the clerics?

Yes. And the cleric class has its own system whereby they they're there for life. No women are allowed and things like that. So uh so the people the society in Iran does not see any light at the end of the tunnel and even when 32,000 have been shot and killed uh they are now back in the streets. So I think they're beyond the tipping point.

Yeah. So this is where I think there is going to be a change in regime. I think and and they're not going to shoot another 32,000. it's not going to happen because there was too much protest in Iran even from their own people who disagreed with what happened including the president Bizian he doesn't agree with that say um I'm going to say this as a as a break on this before we move on is actually I think there are two tipping points that we are talking about one is internal and the other is external before um we continue please uh subscribe uh so that we can uh bring

different perspectives for you to both look at domestic and how domestics is affected by international as well. Uh let's uh let's let's keep making a change through the gutshot community. Uh subscribe and like guys. Um going back to our discussion here goes here here's where I see the tipping point. Number one, I agree with you that um I think putting food on the table is no longer an option because um things are so bad uh for the people in Iran, not just from a freedom standpoint, but also, you know, just just going on a day-to-day basis, right? Um the second part is

actually uh I think the Iranian regime has been using its oil money to fund uh terror organizations as proxies to their external wars because they need to deflect from their internal problems. So you've got them funding Hamas, you've got them funding um the Somalian war in Yaman. And all this actually affects uh uh American interest uh and also affects uh I mean their ally which is Israel, right? And not to mention also and this is where also um they don't have relations except with the Omanis that has played an um um um a mediator role, you know. Uh but uh the

rest of the Arab world really don't want Iran. The only thing they are trying to balance is because they don't want to be seen to be uh pro- Israel to their uh to their society. But at this stage, I think the tipping point has reached where if you were to ask me from the American administration standpoint, I don't think Donald Trump wants to deal anymore with the Ayatollah regime. I don't think um they want to deal anymore um with proxy wars with the Ayatollah regime. So the way I see it, you rightly put that the military hardware that has moved um to the Gulf. Um

uh I mean you got two two carrier uh two carrier groups, you know, strike two carrier strike groups groups. Um and they've been there I think I think they've been mobilized for more than two months and root and they are being they they've been there coming to almost a month. If you ask me the decision to strike Iraq and here I come. I am I keep saying to people I am coming in terms of all my discussion from a very unemotional standpoint when I analyze policies. Okay. I may get emotional when I talk about domestic uh things that affect our citizen but when I look at geopolitics I'm very

unemotional. I think that the decision to strike Iran was made two months ago. What we are seeing today is just a buildup. I think that all the discussion the the the meeting about the uh the nuclear talks is a red herring. The decision has already been made two months ago. Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know what you think about that side. You may want to say something.

I think the the the the important thing is they there is a consensus that there should be a regime change in Iran. Yeah. This this seems to be the overriding consensus. They as you say they not they do not want to deal with the Ayatollas anymore. They have negotiated before. Remember the first nuclear treaty

for one of things is that he is not going to allow himself to be compared to what Obama did. And uh the Iranians basically didn't observe what they agreed on. and they basically pulled a wool over the eyes of the Americans according to Trump which is why America pulled out of that nuclear treaty with Iran because they were not they were not sticking to it anyway which uh events have proved to be true because they have not really stopped their nuclear enrichment and all those things you know uh and now the bigger issue is the ballistic missiles which was not part of the earlier treaty

and uh Trump is wary because uh no matter what you sign with the Iran Iranians there is a concern whe there is a concern what there is a it's an accusation what you can say alleged that they will not keep to their agreements uh so this is their main concern that even if you sign things black and white on paper uh what if they don't uh follow what they've agreed you know uh so the what do you call this the trust there's a huge trust deficit

that the ayatollas are just not trustworthy and not reliable. So they feel that that that the the time has come where there must be a regime change that that is the only solution to Iran now and that Iran be replaced by the leadership by a secular modern secular democratic system.

So that is the only thing that will change uh the fate not only of Iran and it society or but of the entire Middle East including the US and Israel. I I think I think people uh tend to forget that actually among all the so-called Middle Eastern countries the most secular society is actually the Persian. Okay. They have had thousands of years of uh of civilization going back to the Persian Empire even before uh pane the Islamic Empire. you're talking about a Persian civilization um that were uh that that that they have pride on and in terms of so-called voting for democracy they also have that

they have that tradition you know in spite of u actually the clerical class or the Ayatollah class having a position if you remove the Ayatollah class

they already have the system for the democracy they already have the system, right? So, in essence, if you were to ask me, Iran is more ripe for a regime change compared to uh places like Syria or Iraq. All right? It is almost like a regime change in Venezuela. Okay? The system is there to take over. The only question is you need to get rid of the uh the slime balls and the uh pane uh uh the mulas uh that has taken the country to doomsday. All right, that is going that is where I see the whole strategy with respect to the technical knowing how the Americans work.

say when I said when I made when I when I analyze and I say they've already made up their minds to do a regime change two months ago. Okay, they've already thought out of everything. Okay, and if they go into Venezuela, all right, just to take two people with thousands of soldiers in that compound, what did they do? they eliminate all the uh all the forward action uh uh what do you call armaments first. So we are going to see and a very interesting uh use of modern weaponry. Well, the the big the big question is uh will there be regime change and how how can they effect regime

change because uh we are now waiting for the for the uh clash the strike between uh the US, Israel and Iran which will have to be an air strike just like happened last year May. It has to be aerial warfare. they have to send in their fighter planes and bombers and whatnot and missiles. It's an it will be an air attack but uh it is very difficult to change a regime just by air strikes you know even if there is a decapitation strike which is one of the options where you remove the leader of the country through an air strike which happened in the case of u Hassan Nasarala you know the leader of

Hezbollah they bombed him in his underground bunker in Beirut and he died you know so decapitation strike where you take out the leader but even if you take out the leader in Iran let's say the ayatah ali ki or whoever I don't think they will take out possession there will be other ayatas to replace him you see so a regime change through air strike no matter how massive it's going to be it is still uh that is that part is debatable it may it may not be that easy but I think what they are aiming for and what they already doing on the ground both the Americans and the

Israelis Without a doubt, the CIA is on the ground. Without a doubt, the Israeli Moss is on the ground. Is on the ground. They are hoping to stir up uh Iranian resistance towards the regime. Basically, the people who are demonstrating now, you know, you know that they will rise up, the people will rise up and they will help to overthrow the government. In fact, the crown prince, the Raza Palabi, the guy who's in the US, the last few days, he has been increasing his calls to the people. And President Donald Trump also made a statement, I think uh most recently

yesterday, a day before, telling the Iranian people to go down to protest on the streets and to stay there. M basically telling them to risk their lives, you know, so to go down in the streets and to protest and uh to continue protesting because that is the only way that uh the regime can be taken down minus troops or other troops landing in Iran, which is not a scenario that's going to happen. That cannot that's impossible. So it has to be an internal insurrection from inside another revolution by the people to overthrow this uh regime. Only then you can have a regime change

together with some kind of air strike to degrade to degrade the military capacity capability of the Iranian regime. The Ayatah regime massive air strikes and all that will definitely their ability to mobilize military assets. It might that might knock out military bases, air bases, things like that. But at the end of the day with the push for the push to become a shove there needs to be movement on the ground the people have to rise up and uh take over the country otherwise it's going to be difficult.

I have a theory. Yeah actually I have a theory how they going to achieve this. I I I mean I'm I'm sad putting it out there. Let's see what happens. But really, if you ask me, there are two things that tells me um uh there's there's a path in which they can make the regime change without putting American boots on the ground.

Mhm. Okay. Um the first thing uh we already know definitely CIA and Mossad is on the ground, right? Uh we already know that when they took out uh Maduro in Venezuela um the uh the deputy prime minister is a puppet. Okay. Uh that be sorry the deputy president who became the president.

The lady the lady uh is basically a puppet. Okay. Uh basically you need a symbol to pull together whatever is remaining. Right. But in the in the in the situation with uh Iran, what you need to go for, they will wipe out. It's not just a decapitation. They will wipe out the IRGC infrastructure. Okay? All the defense system is going to get wiped out. All right? If you go after the IRGC infrastructure, you they the mulas are defenseless. If you go and then if you wipe out as much of the mulas as you can because you know where they are. Okay, I can guarantee you the Mossad and CIA know

where these guys are. All right. That leaves the people and the remnants of normal uh army to have to turn around towards the people otherwise they are going to be facing actually what they're going to create in my opinion is the French revolution. Okay. In the French Revolution, there were two groups of uh cast or or or groups of uh elites that ended up in the guillotines. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Which is the priest class and the feudal class. All right. All the priest class and the feudal class during the uh uh French Revolution ended up with their head in buckets. All

right. So if you get rid of all the armaments and the IRGC which is the Iranian revolutionary guard which is very loyal and and and and the the fiercest the mulas are now going to see their heads in buckets. All right and this is what is going to this is my theory once that happened. All right, game over because the Americans will bring down one puppet. I'm I don't mind saying it. And the puppet is going to be the crown prince Palavi.

If I may, if I may say before I forget, you see the things that are happening in Iran now. And there is a imminent threat. Well, yeah, it's exist existential threat from the US and Israel that they might strike Iran regime change and all that. The point to note is that all the other Islamic countries are keeping quiet.

Yeah. Whereas Iran is a member of the OIC organization Islamic countries but all the Sunni countries are all just keeping quiet. So you know

because they want them gone. the the whole world can see that you know there's not much love among the only problem sometimes I think brotherhood our our people here Malay Muslims don't seem to realize that Arabs themselves know what is going on but this but our people here seem to be actually blind to what is

well it's a it's a sad day for Muslim brotherhood Islamic brotherhood throughout the world where there is no such To be honest, Islamic country is about to be attacked and blasted to smarines and the rest of the Islamic world is uh they keep quiet simply because Iranians are Shia, you know, so the Sunnis are keeping quiet.

No, then again say then again their own people are oppressed. Yeah, that's true. Right. But I'm just stating that you know the if it if it were any other country, a Sunni country, I think there there would be more noise. The point about the the sha the crown prince the other thing is if you regime change if you if you remove one regime the big question is the day after who's going to take over so for a long time uh all the previous uh protests there have been protests in Iran for years you know like the masa armeni time was 2022 or 23 and then there were massive protests in 209 where

again thousands of people were killed but not as many as Now there have always been protests in Iran. People are tired of the moolas who rule the country. The moolas basically they've failed uh to the people lost faith in the moola regime in Iran. I think for easily you know more than 20 years you know where they they they knew that they couldn't deliver after the first few years a euphoria 1979 the Ayatollah commi came into power so there was a euphoria you know in Iran that things are going to change and I think that carried through for a while I remember in the early 80s

I was in the US I met Iranians you know so there were two groups one group is the one who escaped they were the the people who didn't like the moola regime they escaped and they became migrants and refugees in the The other group was Iranian students sent out on scholarships by the new Ayatah regime and they always spoke highly of the Ayatollah and the new regime. There's going to be a great future in Iran. This was in 1982 83 four years after the Iranian revolution. But I think within a short time they they lost they were disillusioned and it's become critical now. Now now it's like

nothing is happening in Iran. The people's lives are terrible. you know their money real is worth nothing and they are poor all kinds of stuff. So basically the ayatas do not know how to fix it. I mean they are clerics. Well, at the end of the day, um

you you mentioned about uh earlier you mentioned about you know uh manufacture this and produce that you know that kind of stuff. They don't have ideas about that. They do not know how to let's say let's uh what's AI and how shall we participate in AI and how shall we move the economy forward technologically and compete? Can we build the next electric car? No, they their program is actually driven towards military.

Yeah, military and also their religion. You know, in the early phases of the Iranian revolution, because I have personal knowledge, uh you see they believe in something called the second coming of the

Mahi Mahadi you know and they're quite serious about it. So one day uh there was a Islamic conference here in Koala Lumpuro and I attended those days I used to attend now I don't uh there was an international conference.

You're too curious about everything. I was invited so I went and there was some people from Iran you know and they looked like flying carpets you know they had this huge ropes and on like flying

they had this you know the turban that's like 1 ft or at least 18 in high or something like that you know and one of these guys is flying carpet he gave a speech and before he gave a speech he distributed a flyer you know a printed onepage document and I got a copy where they said black and white that they have identified the mih wow

so at Question time I asked him I said you have put it here in black and white that you've identified the mahadi who is it he couldn't answer I don't know why they said that you know but this is their thinking uh they believe in this concept of you know this mahadi the arrival of the mahadi the second coming so to speakhuh and that the mahadi will come and save the world and establish world Islamic whatever according to their their understanding of the of the phrase because different sects different groups have different understanding of Imam Mahadi uh so they believe that the mahadi will

not come until Iran as a premier Shia country in the world they make their country militarily powerful. So that answers your your point on military

they say that they must be military powerful before the the mahadi can come. So whether they honestly believe in this or not, I don't know. But it is a good marketing point because it's it's a it's a deflection to deflect the people's attention away from other things that they don't have and focus on military and other things, you know, so that the mahadi will come.

Right? So basically you vote for me, I'll give you the keys to paradise. That's you know that's what it is. That is uh that's it. So they have been running the country on this kind of uh fumes you know

uh not very you know just fumes promises fake promises which doesn't re deliver the real things jobs opportunities food on the table affordability no inflation no crazy price increases you know

no it's higher standard of living they have not the real things in life they have not been able to deliver other than promises of Imam Mahadi we got to be militarily strong. Same here but things like that it's not I Mahadi they giving you promises of heaven after you die.

So after 19 1979 40 over years 47 years of this kind of promises the people are tired. Yeah. So that's it. So just like here in Malaysia the next general election is due within a year right? About a year nothing's going to change right? If they if they haven't changed much over the last 40 50 years in Malaysia, do we honestly think they're going to make serious changes in the next 12 months or whatever? I don't think so. So the same thing with the Ayatah since 1979 they have not been able to really deliver the standard of living which the Iranian people deserve. So are they going to do

it in the next one year, two years? So that's it. It's not going to happen or next 5 years. I I I do think that there is a path towards uh stabilizing after regime change because it's always a question that becomes um in terms of you know people tend to forget that America has been at war every decade. All right. So that particular um uh what do you call that particular military might has honed in an expertise no other nation in this world has acquired. So when they go after you, you know, ever since Vietnam or World War II, their their military strategy and their

political military strategy has been refined and refined and refined. I can see what's going to happen. Actually, you only need to bring in because you have a structure of uh democracy that needs to be only uh strengthened. you bring in uh a place what you call a placeholder that actually becomes a rallying point for the demonstration to actually rally upon. Okay? And then and then you have a transition period which is what's happening with Venezuela. You have a transition period before a next proper election. So uh so as I was saying just now you're talking about transitions the

transitions didn't happen before in 209 or 20 the Masa Ameni uh insurrection or protest in 2022 23 because uh there was no uh visible candidate

who and the moolah is still in power with all the guns. There was no visible candidate opposition candidate who stepped forward to put himself or herself forward as a viable alternative in Iran. There was this lady by the name of Mariam something. She leads uh something called the well it's the Mojahedini Hulk. They were the at one time the socialist communist people. She's in Europe. She is in exile and she has been she has been putting herself forward as you know successor in Iran. But the person who is now uh has the highest u uh what do you call this profile as opposition figure who can

lead Iran post regime change is the crown prince Raza uh Raza Palabi who who lives in the US. He's been living in the US since 1979, but uh he's well regarded now. And the thing is in the protest now on the streets in Iran, they shout his name.

Yeah. No, I mean say unique symbol. Yeah. He is a person and and also now he has stepped forward which he did not do before. He now broadcast regularly. He makes podcast and he speaks directly to the people. He speaks directly to the armed forces. He tells them what they should do and should not do. And to his credit, uh the last time where he said he told Iranian people to go out and he gave the time 8:00 p.m., you know, because that was the anniversary of something that happened, I can't remember exactly what, but there was an anniversary of something. And he said,

"Please be out in the streets at 8:00 p.m." And the largest crowd assembled that night in Iran, meaning that they listened to him. After that is the reason they cut all the internet. It has been cut. Now it's been two months since there is totally no internet in Iran. There is also no telephone line connections from overseas into Iran. It's been cut since the crown prince made that speech because they know he has significant influence.

I bet you what will happen after they do all this decapitation. Stalin is coming in. Stalin. Stalin. Yeah. That's because why uh Ukraine uh Russia war the one that is holding up because uh the the Russians whacked as much of the internet infrastructure. So the ones that is uh holding up for the Ukrainian side is Staling.

So uh so if I may uh so now uh down on the street level I think there's some organization going on as we just mentioned the Mosar and CIA are there. So they're pushing the name of the crown prince very uh strongly among uh the street protesters and the phrase javeid sha jave sha means the sha the king shall rule uh is is been people are saying it everywhere now is it's just a very common thing so the people are being tuned to accept the return of the crown prince now if he returns the question is in what form will he return you know this yunus character in Bangladesh who became adviser reserve

for more than a year and now they've had the elections in Bangladesh. Uh some people are thinking along those lines where if the crown prince returns he will rule you know take command of of the country for a for a period of time and then organize democratic elections where he where he may himself offer himself as a candidate or he may be like you know this uh constitution constitutional monarch where he remains a sha but uh power goes to an elected parliament and that's so they're thinking of that kind of of uh scenario. The most important thing is uh this has

to be made known to the Iranian people which I think uh they are in the process. So once the people can see that there is a clear-cut path uh you know towards all those to conclude you know all the sufferings that they are they they are undergoing now uh it may put things in better focus to effect a smoother regime change people will step forward. Yeah, I think I think if you ask me um the first thing is actually when the strike will happen.

That's all because the minute the strike will happen, I'm pretty confident these guys know what they're going to be doing, you know. Um and then when when the people on the ground see that the IRGC is being dismantled and then you will see a ground swell.

Those are prerequisites. Yeah, that's prerequisite. Yeah. You you can't you don't you can't expect ordinary people to I mean they've already imagined they've already put their neck on on the line and 35,000 of them has been massacred.

It's highly risky proposition highly risky. So I think you're going to see a ground swell once this the mil the the the military side of it uh is taken out. So I I mean I want to can I before we close on this subject because we are theorizing to be honest you know as best as we could from our own understanding of different facet of geopolitics and you know especially your very strong understanding of these clubs of doom right um uh I think I think it's uh It's a warning for us in Malaysia of where we are headed. Not just from corruption standpoint. Uh because why

corrupt this religious people this this moolah okay um they use religion actually for money you know um is for them to gain power and wealth. their children actually are living well in Europe, in London and whatnot, you know. Um and uh and and and and you know uh our people here uh are sending our children uh to not learn science. So I think we better have some lesson learned because um uh when people say they want to be champion of this religion and that religion throw them into the sea.

Okay. If I may if I may just uh can you close this support for the day? Yeah. on uh on uh Iran and the Middle East and also uh what will be the day after the day after what will be the impact on a few countries around the world including Malaysia. I have some words on that. Now first of all you see um ever since the uh well the Iranian revolution was 1979 and then in the in the 80s we had the rise of extra state Islamic actors you had uh you know extremist groups u various kinds of terrorist organizations which which operated on a global scale no and then in the '9s you had this ala

before you know the mojahedines in Afghanistan an the al-Qaeda all the al-Qaeda appeared late '9s and all that so many things. So after the uh uh al-Qaeda after the 2000 attack on the World Trade Center in New York and then the Americans invaded Afghanistan, they invaded Iraq then we saw the the al-Qaeda people then they were wiped out then uh the ISIS first turned up right so this was the Sunni axis al-Qaeda ISIS and all these groups are Sunnis you know they are the Muslim Brotherhood, the Hizbut Tahar. These were all the intra um the uh non-state players, but they

operated on an international level across across frontiers across countries. Then ISIS was wiped out. With the wiping out of ISIS after the Arab Spring, we're talking about after 211 213 after 2013. Then you find that the Shia axis started uh revving up. The Iranians uh the Ayatollas, their proxies in uh Iraq, their proxies in Syria, in Lebanon, Hezbollah, the Houthis. This is called the Shia Axis. So there was a a Shia crescent from Iran going across Iraq after the fall of Saddam going across into Iraq into Syria. Syria was Shia and then Lebanon. Lebanon because

of Hezbollah and then arcing down into Yemen. So there was a Shia crescent. Actually they say it is circling Israel. No, it was circling Saudi Arabia because the ultimate target of Shia Islam is to get back Mecca.

Mecca. Mecca. Mecca is their target. Not even Medina. Mecca. See people on the street doesn't even think like us, you So this is this is they are so obsessed with Israel they don't realize what is actually going on.

Yeah. Ultimate target is Mecca. Of course after Mecca they will go on to Israel and things like that but the ultimate that ring the the Shia c the famous Shia crescent Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon uh down into Yemen is an arc around Saudi Arabia and the tip of the ark goes into the eastern region of Saudi Arabia where the oil is Bahrain. Bahrain is is majority Shia. So that is a Shia cresence encircling Saudi Arabia. The target is Mecca. Okay. Uh so now if there's a regime uh change in uh Iran uh it will be the end of this this uh Shia axis already. The the Hisba has been

more or less neutralized. Hassan Nasola has been taken out. The Houthis have been seriously degraded. And of course the master stroke was getting rid of Bashar Assad in Syria. Nobody saw that.

Nobody saw that coming. Saw that coming. That was totally wow. Outside anybody's uh chess strategist chess chess playing you know suddenly Bashar Assad disappeared and the entire Shia structure in Syria collapsed. With that also Hezbollah you know that's was a master stroke. I think even Sunsu will be would have been impressed you know nobody saw that coming. So the Shia axis has collapsed. So now the fear is if you take out Iran the Ayatollas will the Shia axis be replaced by another Sunni ultra axis like happened under ISIS uh his Bahar Muslim Brotherhood al-Qaeda

all these people that appeared that that read their head and wave their flags. Will that will it be the eb and the flow? Will it be another replacement of the of the Sunni system? This is where the Israelis because I listen to their conversations and the Americans, they're saying that we cannot have this happen again. So the day after if there's a regime change in Iran, they want a moderate Sunni axis to come up in the Middle East and they want a secular democratic system in Iran so that the entire Middle East calms its more calms down.

So this moderate Sunni axis will mean expanding the Abrahamic Accords. Abrahamic Accords basically means recognizing Israel.

So they expect Saudi Arabia to sign the Saudi Arabia was supposed to sign the Abrahamic Accords but since the October 7 attack uh you know in Gaza uh that has been postponed. They they want to get Saudi Arabia on board the UAE on board and uh they want a few other Middle Eastern countries to sign the Abrahamic Accords. And uh what that means is that official recognition of Israel and from the conversations I hear by the Israeli people, they also want Indonesia on board. And if you recall the president of Indonesia, Bravo, he went to I think the United Nations.

Yeah. Oh, he is part of that uh socalled peace board. uh peace board that has been uh mocked by uh a lot of people they don't realize all this all the slight of hands being played you know

but he he he made that speech in uh where he publicly said for the first time as a president of Indonesia where he recognizes the right of the Jewish people to have their country or something like that which was a very pro-Israel statement and uh they are now I mean the US and the Israel they are looking at Indonesia as part of the Abrahamic Accords you know so post uh regime change when it happens not if I think when I think it's when it's when within this year uh assuming that you know these things happen and the Abrahamic accords are expanded and if Indonesia is part of that

then Indonesia will be the fourth country in ASAN Singapore, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia to have relations with Israel. So this will be the changes in the world. It will be a new world. Uh it will be a new Middle East and uh the way things are going uh I think it will happen.

I think we our our our people and our government really need to think without having this uh whacked out emotion because it's a it's a world that has changed and you can you have to deal with reality. So with that in mind, say thank you for that closing um what do you call bouquet. Um thanks everybody for joining us. We hope we can continue these conversations uh some more. Say

thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.