Super-Reformati. DAP/PKR Congress Fiasco

You know the funny thing is one delegate, one lady delegate even said u yeah we stay in PH but we should distance ourself from Ano Ibrahim. I was like what what are you talking about? I don't even understand the logic of this. So I think with such so many things stacked up against them uh DAP and PH and now all these PKR uh there are so many issues that that are unresolved yet when uh mighty Thor in his ship

Mhm. is braving the waves and the storm and refuses to change course. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Gutshot podcast. I'm Shamsil Sam Yong host and my regular partner Sai Akbar Ali my good friend welcome him please good morning well today we are going to enter into uh a conversation on these two interesting congresses that happened one on the 16th of August and one on the 15th and 16th of of August namely the DAP congress and the PR R PKR Congress. Let's see what happened, what really matters, and what really doesn't matter at all. So, shall we say,

let's start um uh the ball rolling. Uh let's go first with the DAP Congress, shall we? Yeah, sure. Right on. Well, uh we spoke about the DAP's Congress in our earlier podcast, fans. So, this is like the postmortem after after the Congress.

Yeah. uh the congress uh DAP's congress went through uh uneventful and I think the outcome was what a lot of people had already uh figured out.

Yeah. The status quo no change. We are not the only one who have said it. Yeah. Because the main the main purpose of the congress was to decide whether DAP should remain in the unity government or they should leave uh the unity government in in in more than one variation. I mean you know like for example remain with PH but give up the the positions the government positions terminate positions things like that but anyway all that is uh academics because none of that happened they are remaining in the government and everything is at the school so that is the outcome of the uh the AP's congress

as you say like it was pretty much expected by a lot of people. Mhm. But what uh has transpired since then is that the uh you see there were uh there were they have they had over 4,000 delegates you know they have this delegate system like most parties in the congress.

Yes. Yes. They had like 4,200 over delegates. The attendance was only what half of that. Yeah. you know, so that itself uh well, some people look at it as indicative of, you know, like not everyone was too thrilled, you know, about the congress to decide on this issue. Uhhuh. It was like people because some of the comments that were made by uh D members who were interviewed in the press, they said that uh yeah, one guy asked if the leadership had already made his preferences obvious, why hold the vote at all? you know, so that kind of talk. So, it was only like less than 50% uh

people of the candidates, the 4,200 candidates who attended uh there were 1,857 delegates now who voted for the motion, right?

The DAP stays in government, right? Yeah. So, 1,857. So the remainder out of the 4,260 over uh including those who didn't attend, those who voted against a small number voted against some who have stayed and all that. It gives a percentage the the 1,857 is only about 44% of the total number of delegates.

Yeah, I'm counting everybody. So basically what you're counting is the people who voted with their feet by not attending and the people who came and cast a vote. Yes. But of course you can the the counter argument is not necessarily all those who did not come uh did not agree with the thing.

Yeah, I agree with you on that. But nevertheless the general feeling is that there was a lot of unhappiness. So the bottom line is that uh there is not really uh what do you call this uh a complete uh uh convergence or uh what is the right word? Oh,

not everybody is on the same page. Same page in DAP regarding this issue. So now I think the issue now is after the Congress our Congress was held on the 16th of August. Today is when it first. Yeah. So

there's still some rumblings going on around party memberships throughout the country because we are still hearing postmortem type of comments coming out in social media and this and that you know. So um they've had their congress but uh whe whether it really helps the party or not yet to be seen. You know the thing is this um uh some of the delegate uh talk about uh the criticisms that come out um is actually quite pointed. um saying things like uh you know it's already been u uh a leader. You know how party politics work, right? Uh the the president or the people who are at

the top basically has coralled the votes into the cat the kettle has been coralled to get the results that they want. In fact, um almost a week before, if I'm not mistaken, Anthony Lo already stated that they're going to not going to leave Harapan. I mean, so it just underlined the point that the of the delegates uh uh grouses that what's the point of this congress?

Yeah, that was the thing. Uh from early on Anthony Lo s had sort of hinted and steered and yeah nudged the the the the desired outcome they would have wanted. He made it point blank that they would stay in the in the in the unity government. So uh I think that did have a sign significant influence over the entire the tone and mood of the congress and as somebody also commented one of one dap person also commented

you know uh during the congress various speakers came up and made their speeches yeah this is supposed to be well supposed to be not random supposed to be you know people who represent the party's views but nearly all of them came up and were in support of you know parties thing in government. So like you know everything was is like already it's orchestrated

orchestrated and things like that. So they were not too happy about that too. Yeah. Well you know ladies and gentlemen for if if you really have been to all this kind of thing um what what we call in shows these are planted audiences. So these are PL I know we you have what they called you know what they have orchestrated. So apparently all 14 prior delegates that uh the first 14

Yeah 14 of them the reps were all in favor of seeing in government miracle. So the jam guy asks so what's the point you know yeah you know what what's the point I mean you know what is um and but you know supporters of the AP are even asking you know what has actually they have achieved you know because that's the that that is the crux of the matter now you see the issue is now we are going full term we are 18 months or less away from the general election.

Right. Right. That is very little time left to do your reforms. Yeah. What reforms can you achieve in 18 months? Government has already been in power now since 2022. So that's uh you know almost 4 years. Huh? If you had started your reforms on the first day you were in power. Today over 3 years have gone by. We would have seen something on the ground because these things take time.

Take time. Now you have 18 months uh to go. what reforms are you can you achieve in 18 months or less? Uh so this is what the question that even the DAP delegates some of them are asking I mean the DAP membersh where are the reforms and now we don't have much time to undertake any reforms. Now the most important thing is the government has not indicated that they will undertake any reforms. Have you heard anything?

No, I have not. Oh, they have made indications they are going to uh make uh really ultra ultra reform or ultra uh uh reforms on steroid in the last few months.

I I I mean I'm like oh you know I'm I'm just wondering whether the reform is going to come through a kryptonite or not. I think uh uh they talked about the uh the university act right as if that's going to is going to change the country

forever. Our GDP will take off to the sky. Yeah. Who cares? Are you going to university? I don't. You graduate? I I graduated in 1986. Is bit too late for you. Yeah, I think so, too.

And you went to Florida. In fact, if you ask me right now, you ask me about all this university reform and all that, right? You know, I mean, just take out the fre just put out a freedom of speech act. I don't see the relevance that it's got nothing to do with

with the dayto-day lives of everyday people. 34 million Malaysians, right? So, so uh I was listening to Gobin Singh D, right? He made a statement after the congress. I think I think hindsight he was had some uh you know well had some he wanted to like maybe rectify the situation a bit. So he did suggest that they will try to undertake some reforms. I think he mentioned four of which I remember only one stuck in my head.

Mhm. Is uh he said uh the DAP will try to revoke the SMA or something like that. So again I think these are like this is just like there are words in Malay to describe this you know to be I'll be polite.

You be polite people already say I'm rude. Something called last time we were in school we learned that you know. Yeah, actually the correct one is

right. You know in the Malay Kong houses at the bottom of every house is the houses on stilts, right? So there's a stairs going up at the bottom of the stairs there's a a little a huge container full of water usually rain water

and you have a little dipper and before you enter the house you dip the water you wash your feet right and the dipper is a bau. So you have to put it back properly. You don't just chuck it. Yeah. Yeah.

So doing a half-hearted job means like you know just you just chuck it around here and that's called I hope I'm right cuz this was explained to me by our friend the late one. Anyway, rest in peace. This is this is like some kind of a half-hearted answer. Why do you Okay, you want to go and abolish the soma and then what? I know you had some brushes with the law recently, but does so affect you or me so is mostly the way I look at it is for those you know the terrorists and those the jihadis or whatever potential suicide bombers that's what is uh is just like I say last time

yeah just now why don't you abolish the sedition act like you see you want what au or sma what does that have to do with the price of fish in a slam market No, no, nothing, nothing, nothing. I I mean, somebody mentioned that they want to uh retable the two-term limit in parliament. Okay. Um I'm I'm going Yep. Okay, that's good. Let me see. Right. But the main point, as you well put, is actually over all this uh time, the cost of living for people are rising, wages are stagnant. Okay, these are the real bread and butter issues that affect our people. Okay, and corruption really we

are growing after all the small fish has not corruption has not disappeared. Yeah. Has not disappeared. Cost of living. Yeah. And then cost of living you see the petrol subsidies. Yeah.

They created it. Isn't it right? At first everything was in a you know there was a harmony and balance in the land in the realm in the realm uh in the kingdom right in the kingdom everything was you know sailing along then suddenly they came and interfered and said we're going to do a what do you call this targeted subsidy for some reason and diesel and this and that and then they impose certain number of liters x number of liters per month and then they changed it we reduced did

I mean the the system was functioning along and then they came and did all these changes which caused all these disruptions and a bit of chaos in the country. So now that has become an issue. So like you know you um like people are walking smoothly along the foot path suddenly you throw in a couple of bricks so people have to step around it

and then he removes the bricks and say I have solved the problem. Yeah. They create the problem and they say I solved it. They don't even solve the whole problem because actually they created the problem. So you created the issue and then now you say you want to solve it but it's not it's not fully solved.

Yeah. The petrol subsidy, the targeted subsidy. The e invoice that's the number two is one of the biggest issue that all my friends inmemes are complaining about. They had to spend money on it and then all of a sudden I mean they were forced to spend money on it and all of a sudden it says oh no no no we're not going to do that for this and that for this segment and they say hey do

and this and that and then implementation but enforcement I I do not know whether they are following through it's all so vague remember uh AMNO and Barisan National lost the elections in 2018 eight after the 1MDB scandal came to light but that was not the only reason they were messing up anyway

the economy was not doing too great but in my view in my view because my wife and I we felt it firsthand the thing that really killed uh AMNO and BN 2018 was the GST the GST came in in 2014 right

2015 was a bus whole year the GST it killed off so many businesses it made our life so difficult We made losses after the GST came in and then u uh 2018 the people voted them out.

I think the same thing is going to happen uh now with this e invoices. Even the thought of the e- invoice is causing so much of tension and fear basically amongst business people especially especially who've been around for so long. You cannot go and tell them, hey, you got to buy a computer, you got to go.

People don't realize if you are if your revenue is 200 million, you're just as an assemb of course, all these new regulations, it comes with a cost cost and also the punishment punishment taken against you if you do not conform. if you follow the rules. So he's the guy is already you know struggling with business with cost with his sales finding customers competition from China competition from Pindoo and Tao you know and all these people are moving into the country you already have enough things you to contend with and suddenly the government puts in all these things which and then

it was postponed remember last year uh uncertainties it just makes life more uncertain and they think that this is a solution. It is not. I don't think this government I think if you ask me right they don't understand business

from the oh oh definitely they have no idea what we these are basically Oxford or Cambridge people or whatever this elitist uh group of orangan which um which come and and become parachute CEOs and then land in government jobs that that get their uh understanding from being in the cloud. outs. They have never really built anything in their lives, you know, to understand the problems of businesses the way you and I do. I was with uh I was with uh a bunch of Chinese businessmen, okay? Because I'm a member of one of those NGO clubs uh that are worldwide. um I don't want to mention

names and I would say practically 90% of them are all um Chinese businessmen okay of small and medium scale businesses the complaint they have about e- invoicing the complaint they have about taxes the complaint about rising cost the complaint about the overwhelming competition coming from um a total supply chain infrastructure and business from China that does not contribute to the indust to the employment or the growth of Malaysian businesses is one of their biggest complaint and they hear nothing from the government of what they want to do. I tell you, you are see you're going to

see the next election. I'm going to make a prediction. A revolt of Chinese Chinese businesses who are running small businesses because most of them

are running basically small business. Let me finish the point that you're making. You see, uh there are certain trends in the in the in the world now talking about China. You cannot make Taoba disappear. You're not going to make pin do go away. Uh you're not going to make all their online retailers disappear. They are selling they can sell because I'm a customer. They can sell detergent

for two ringgit and three ringit like a 3 lit bottle and is it is delivered from China to your house you know. So hold on second. So at that kind of pricing and it's it's a regular item. It works the it's going to affect businesses not just in Malaysia throughout the world

throughout the world. This is a new a completely new landscape that is appearing. It is going to be very disruptive and perhaps even destructive. Huh. The government now has to sit down and think how am I going to do?

They don't know what to do. You cannot simply go and say oh let's ban them. Then you might as well not trade with China. just put up walls and don't trade at all. cannot you have to be realistic but whatever you do there are certain things you can do certain things you cannot do cannot do okay you know we have to long-term sort it out the things that you can do for example don't create new obstacles not enough problems coming out from outside

why from inside I mean from outside there are so many challenges why do you create so many other issues from inside the country what's wrong with you these people you know so they don't seem understand this there is going to be a major blood letting over the next few years not only in Malaysia throughout the world because of the way things are evolving coming out of China uh as I said like pindodu taba all these they are they are really breaking into the market selling things so cheap you know so how do how do we help our local businesses Chinese businessesmemes who are you know

they are such a big uh they have a big presence in our economy how are we going to help them uh overcome these uh challenges, you know, by creating new obstacles, throwing new uh spanners in the works to make life more difficult for them or do we help them uh find solutions to the threats that they facing because ultimately these are the taxpayers, isn't it?

Yeah. Where you going where you going to get the 340 billion government tax revenue, other revenues ifmemes and local businesses are going to suffer? I think I think the answer to that in short as I've already said just now um we have people in government who have no understanding of commerce and business in reality. They are sitting there uh talking like uh uh Zeus on the in the clouds and everything. I I've been to their seminars. Oh, I can tell you I I I've got speakers that talk uh perfect expert English, but when I listen to the content, I said, "Okay, you know, your

your foot is not on the ground. Your feet is not on the ground." Anyway, I mean, the bigger political problem with when we look at it, right? Here's the background that that we see the setbacks uh the setbacks for PH run by the uh in in Sabah Joho Dris Milan you know this is what we we have looked at we've said it next is Malaka

uh next is going to be Malaka DAP lost eight seats in contested all in Sabah Joo DAP contested 17 and won only takes Ronny Leu, our our old Ronny Leu who uh uh uh who was ex DAP leader uh said in July that Chinese support in DAP is no longer automatic.

Yes. Right. Nice Milan was another shock with Anthony Lope losing in and therefore resigned in Milan DAP chairman. So I'm like I mean uh I'm like wondering maybe and I think we said it maybe he should resign completely you know um

it's a bit late. It's a bit late. It is well a bit late. You know the funny thing is one delegate, one lady delegate even said uh yeah we stay in PH but we should distance ourself from Ano Ibrahim. I was like what what are you talking about? I don't even understand the logic of this. So I think with such so many things stacked up against them uh PAP and PH and now all these PTR uh there are so many issues that that are unresolved yet when uh mighty Thor in his ship

is braving the waves and the storm and refuses to change course piercing piercing through the waves and holding his uh iron hammer. uh the the point I'm trying to make is obviously there's some benefit which the DAP leaders seem to derive from staying the course that they in now despite all these unhappiness and and people saying so many things and complaints they feel that is beneficial to them

it must be there must there must be a net positive there's something positive for somebody for which the DAP members don't share and the the larger a significant population in the country

does not share does not share but for for some group of people in this the public leadership they feel that this is good for us so I leave that right so I think I leave it to our audience to figure it out

to to filter that out but uh um the way I see it I think um I want to do said I want to do an uh an episode uh after this about uh Chinese electorate and their voting strategy. But I'll come to that later uh be uh but we'll come to that episode later. In the meantime, I have a short uh if you guys like to continue this conversation, enjoy the conversation that we have. Uh please subscribe so we can keep getting this uh podcast for free for you guys and keep liking so that we can uh we can uh we can spread uh our intelligent conversation to all the thinkers in

Malaysia. We have a country to save. Uh welcome back guys. Uh we're going to now talk about the second uh national congress that occurred uh between the 15th and 16th uh this year at MTC IRA which is the PKR congress national congress. Um and here's the interesting part before we delve into that I just want to put a bit of a background. Oops. Let me drink my orito coffee at Plaza Davas. Okay. Um here we go. the best coffee in town. Anyway, um this is what is happening in the country. Okay, if you really think about it, what has not changed irrespective of the previous BN ANO government and the

current PH government. All right, corruption is still there. education has not been reformed. Further taxation uh through GST or SST um is making life more difficult. Cost of living has increased. Wages has stagnated. So your fundamental bread and butter issue including legal issues such as sedition act, freedom of information everything macc is adding adding to it so that we cannot speak nothing has changed regardless of the government in power. Then what we have today as what S say has just said the government that we currently have start putting in things that actually

causes more problem to the Rayad. You know invoicing the patrol subsidy situation messing it up right this is what we are in for. And let's listen say shall you uh expound upon the brilliance of

uh the PKR national congress which was held between the 15th and the 16th and uh you know what uh geniuses has come up with. Yeah, they had their the P had their congress tool

and uh their outcome is that everything is cool, hunky dory fine. We are God's gift to mankind stuff like that. You know what you would call what? Motherhood kind of statement. Motherhood statement. Yeah.

Everything is hunky dory fine. Yeah. But um uh you see I was doing some uh googling and stuff on the PR national congress. uh this particular line it sticks out you know it's okay it's like the the what the universal solvent that uh clears everything up you see uh the three elections Sabah uh Joho and

Sabah was in November November 2025 now in these three elections the PR fielded 49 candidates Sabah Right. And they want only four seats, state seats. But considering that it is geographically so uh uh spread out the numbers all the way to Sabah in East Malaysia where the demographics are totally different,

right? The racial configuration different except for Chinese that's all, you know, local indigenous. You got you got Yeah. roads and whatnot to hold and then agree.

Uh they only won four out of a total of 49. Congratulations for winning four seats out of 49 which is about 10% you know 10%. Okay. Now I project I think this is going to be PR's performance in all forthcoming elections which coming up you know within the foreseeable future including the general elections. Yeah.

I think 10% is going to be their number. They're going to they're going to win about 10% of all the 10% is going to be maintained. They want you know four seats about you know that's it. 10% is what they're going to they're going to maintain. So if they're going to they they contested 100 seats in 2022 they may contest the same number of seats now. I think they might win maybe 10. That's about it. 10% seems to be their average passing grade

if you call it a passing grade. Um I mean in in our um in in our um American parlance experience that may be the ceiling rather than the basement because this number is real. It's already been achieved. You don't have to hire your polling agency

to go and conduct a poll to find out what is the popularity of PR at this point in time in Sabah in Joho in Samanj because the three states Sabah, Joho and it's it's it's a done deal. It's already something that has happened. They've only got like 10% of the of the seats which they which they contested. So I think this 10% is going to prevail.

Is a 10% party. Maybe like SPM instead of 40% passing rate 10 passing rate should be 10% good. Uh but uh the number is holding.

Yeah. Because uh was it one seat in Joho or two seats in Leg or something like that? And but but they're okay. I mean the the prime minister is very confident. Is he worried? They say he's still prime minister.

Hunky dori. Fine. Yeah. You know, you know the the the the the thing is not just you know that they have lost Rafi. Uh oh. Before I forget, of course, in agree they were they were they were incumbent. They were the government in agree state government for two two terms. They lost it now.

Yeah. and the and the Greece van uh chief minister lost the seat and Anthony lost his seat. Yeah, actually I if I'm not mistaken lost to uh a rookie in Lingi, isn't it?

Yeah, he lost to a rookie and it did and and and so did Anthony Lo. Well, Anthony is DAP, but uh yeah, that's it, you know. So um I think this pattern is going to hold. If you have a general elections tomorrow or within the next 6 months is going to be the same or worse. Uh and there's no evidence or any suggestion that things are going to improve even beyond 6 months.

No but looking at things I think might get worse. Well time is not on the other side. Not just time is not on a side. The biggest attrition when you look at it you're losing your talent. whether the talent is a technocratic talent uh that actually operates your maybe if I would look at Raphzi as being u uh their their data uh uh their data analytical guy and then you've got Wong Chen who's pretty popular that has left uh Pan right but the best one I think the one the icing that takes the cake is Nur Isa. Okay. Not that she was of uh much substance to start off to go through at

you know uh when we uh uh when we think about it. But you know Nurul why leave your why leave your number two position in PKR to pursue your studies? that I that to me is the biggest um the biggest red flag any political party or any even even in a company if all of a sudden your CEO says I'm going to continue my education uh instead of uh you know continuing to work towards getting the position of CEO something is dead wrong in the in the culture of that particular organization, whether that be a corporation or whether that be a political party. And he and and she said

this, you know, she warned against, you know, a party within a party. And she said internal fighting consuming energy that should be used to win voters instead should be the focus. Something like that. So internal power struggles are sufficiently serious in PKR. Now we are not the one saying this. They themselves are saying this among themselves. Something is definitely rotten in Denmark. So you see um Rafi Ramli who's left PR I mean he was vying for the deputy president

and he was defeated by Nuiza uh that was a major sea change in the party when somebody like Rafi who has sacrificed so much for the party basically he was uh to me he was quite like shove the site. Well, they say they went through the electoral process. If they say so, it's it's fine. That's what they say. You cannot you cannot deny that.

Somebody was saying, tell me because I'm not very good at internal fighting, right? But uh apparently the tool for shoving aside Rafuzi was actually noisa. Is that true? How true is that?

I I I I don't know. I can't comment on that. As I said, they went through their process, but nevertheless, Rafuzi got got left out. Gosh. got left out. Yeah. But but it's an important position deputy president because deputy president uh carries a lot of responsibility and weight because you take a lot of weight off the shoulders of the president who sometimes uh busy with other things so many things. Huh. So the deputy will should help in uh the day-to-day management running of affairs and things like that. Uh every party is more or less you know somebody will

help. The bosses can't do everything. you need good lieutenants. So the lieutenant is a deputy president and so Rafi was taken out and Nurua took over and then she quit.

So so you see the hundreds of thousands of parties members supportersh looking for leadership especially the time like this when you're losing elections you know. Yeah. So this is a time when leadership should step for should step forward and help to mobilize their troops, mobilize their resources, motivate their people, you know, because the general elections are around the corner. But uh she decided that now is the time to go and do a PhD. I mean, which is her choice. I'm not going to question her choice. It's just that the timing for the party is not

I wish I can have Doro Isa here and ask her about the choice to be honest. For the party, it's not the best timing in the world, you see. So that is an issue. But now the person who has stepped into her shoes who has been appointed to do all the roles of deputy is uh Saigur minister.

Home minister. Oh the the the one that decides on whether we are to use sedition act or not. Rafi Rafi the guy who sacrificed so much who works so hard who's in the party for so long. He lost to Nuriza. are quit and now uh Sai is taken over by appointment

right you know not by election but by selection right okay so uh what what impact will that have on the party yet to be seen well the impact is very clear I mean if you look at it right DAP is the one whilst they are losing support from the Chinese community okay because say what you want you can say it's a multi-racial uh pip party but the stalwwards of its opp of its uh support are the Chinese community okay and to a certain extent uh the Indian community right so this PH government is being propped up by um non-Malay support MPKR is not holding up their bargain of getting or actually

mobilizing um the segment of the Malay population into the PH government. I think that particular empirical imbalance it's going to it's it's it's very much if I was a chemistry student I call it the lashier principle is completely got not in equilibrium.

What the lashier principle is I'll keep it be be a chemistry uh nerd. I'll keep it simple. Yeah. Pard is a 10% party but there you go. They're going to win 10%. I said

you see the other thing that happened is you know after the Negri the negri elections some of the PR divisions in Negri called for the former MB who lost to step down like Anthony Lo stepped down as DAP. So they called for Haru to resign as PR party chairman but the party leadership said no everything is hunky dorifying or you can stay as you are so no change

you see so bottom line is no change we're not going to expect any change I don't I don't just want to point the finger at PR at all the political parties in this country so far no change this status quo Malaysia How can you change say? How can you change when you spend all your years in political party and actually positioning yourself to get into party position before becoming MP and getting cushy jobs as political secretaries, private secretaries, p deputy ministers and ministers, you've learned nothing in terms of how the world works. You know, how do you change

people's lives? It doesn't happen. It's not It's not going to happen. So, the complaints now, you know, especially from well, from everybody in Malaysia, right? Uh prices, household expenses.

Yeah. Business conditions, job opportunities. Yeah. Uh new opportunities. Where is it? You know, it's still Well, this this is where coming on the wheel, I suppose. Let's wrap up in this way. I think we we we've we've done this analysis. Let's wrap up in this way that what people what these guys do not understand when they talk about uh their CPI their CPI is their selected consumer price index that actually does not reflect either urban or rural real cost of living uh standards and cost in order to survive be because the other part is actually the wage stagnation as well. The other

thing that when they talk about is actually they talk about GDP growth. All right. Is it it's not relevant. It's not relevant. It doesn't tell you with what the people are feeling on the ground because GDP growth and wage increase are disconnected already in this country. Okay. For a very long time. All right. Talk to us business people. you know, so

so there you go. You ain't going to change nothing. So the the what the leadership is saying and what the people feel in the ground are just disjointed. It doesn't tell you but they're just ignoring it, not paying attention.

Now for those PR supporters who who may not be happy with why we are attacking PR. So we're not attacking, we're just saying things as they are. We're telling you the truth. But this is guy short also because they are the ruling party. Yeah.

We're not going to complain about PSM or pass. They're not ruling party. They're not the ruling party. You are the ruling party. So we have a right to comment about what you're doing. You're right. You're right. So uh you see so um then okay these are things which they have not done. those things which are really under their controls under their complete control some of the reforms which they promised long ago as you mentioned sedition act

the MCMC act the freedom of press acts and all that and then uh reversing some of these laws that e invoice thing you put it in surely you can take it out you see they create more problem

created it you see and you know now it is not accept well accepted by the people it does not go down well with the just remove it. They're not doing it. So, so what what so then if you if you take away all this, what reforms are you talking about? Okay. Zero corruption. Show it to us.

Yeah. Where's the zero corruption? The Rohingya issue. Now, recently, yesterday the what? Jordanian Jordanian in the country. It's nonstop. When when is it going to stop?

And they say there is a syndicate. When there is a syndicate, where is the syndicate? So, so the Rohingya's Rohingya's issue involves also Syndicate. So, you took over 2022 over 3 years have gone by. What do you want? Another 5 years is it to bring these reforms and then you will take your sweet time, your own sweet time and then you might say, "Okay, we'll need more time. When are the reforms going to happen?" I think we won't be around by the time the reforms are finally happen.

No, I I I can confirm one thing. You're not getting my vote. So, uh if I may wrap up. Yeah, please wrap up. There's something interesting also about the Congress in Malaka. There was a protest by some PKR members.

Oh, what's that? Over the tabong is wait. Well, it was reported that some of these PTR members, quite a few, a couple hundred in Ler, they dressed in black and they demanded investigation into Tabhaji,

right? Meaning that they are basically protesting against their own leadership, you know. So there it was a bit of um uh well it was a bit of a shocker that uh your your own party members would demonstrate at your own party congress

basically telling you that you're not doing your job over this issue. So that that also happened. So meaning that even your members are saying that you're not doing your job.

So it's not just us. Yeah. So uh I don't know where they headed. I my final view on PR is it's too late. Yeah. Less than 18 months to go for the elections and uh I don't think there going to be any changes and uh they're going to be 10%. Passing rate.

That's why that's why the pilot will start up. That's it. And and the pilot are not even calling out mayday mayday. Everything is honky dory and is plunging to the ground. Yeah. The Titanic is going down and they're still playing the

the the violin violin. That's it. Well, ladies and gentlemen, with that we wrap up today's episode. Thank you so much for joining us. Please like and subscribe as we say. Um, and we'll see you all again. Thanks. Say thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. Bye.